How about Bickell for Martin???

It saves Hawks $3M
- Ur Not Me

That is not gonna work we need more big bodied guys

Quantity and quality...Hawks got Toews and Kane back to back and already had Keith, Seabrook and others in place.
- Al

Im not disagreeing but also a different circumstance. Hawks had at least some pieces in place, Isles had nothing, nothing at all. I for 1 have been pissed at years end when isles would win games and ruin there draft rankings...
the 08 draft year of Bailey, Snow should of kept trading down and select a Dman that year instead but hey didn't happen.

Im not disagreeing but also a different circumstance. Hawks had at least some pieces in place, Isles had nothing, nothing at all. I for 1 have been pissed at years end when isles would win games and ruin there draft rankings...
the 08 draft year of Bailey, Snow should of kept trading down and select a Dman that year instead but hey didn't happen.
- Ur Not Me

That's the part with not having a plan...

But u are correct....Tallon gets credit here which he should, but if not for the fact Wirtz swallowed about $25 mill a year for quite awhile the Hawks would not have been able to acquire the top picks.

That is not gonna work we need more big bodied guys
- BGKarras

Again I say, when does Bickell use his body during the season? Maybe the key is put him on LTIR for the year and bring him back at the PO's.

Again I say, when does Bickell use his body during the season? Maybe the key is put him on LTIR for the year and bring him back at the PO's.
- powerenforcer

I'd be ok with that haha.

That's the part with not having a plan...

But u are correct....Tallon gets credit here which he should, but if not for the fact Wirtz swallowed about $25 mill a year for quite awhile the Hawks would not have been able to acquire the top picks.
- Al

again the plan was build thru the draft

The Hawks had much better pieces in place in comparison to a bare cupboard of nothing... Hate to say it but what change the isles fortune was the drafting of JT.

Ive seen 15/16 projetions with Versteeg in them. He'll be lucky to even make the team this year. Hope he gets traded, he offers nothing to this team and we have plenty of third line wingers...Versteeg is not top 6 or checking bottom 3. Dumb move to trade for him to begin with. And he was a dumpster fire in the playoffs.

again the plan was build thru the draft

The Hawks had much better pieces in place in comparison to a bare cupboard of nothing... Hate to say it but what change the isles fortune was the drafting of JT.
- Ur Not Me

U r missing the point...There wasn't a plan because they tried a number of times to squeak into the playoffs which cost them draft position.

The Hawks were awful and stayed that way....Again not ez to do unless the ownership has very deep pockets-Which doesn't happen too often.

Tallon has done the same to some degree in Florida....But he hasn't hit big on 2 consecutive drafts and made other errors.

Barely making the playoffs with no real chance of advancing past the 1st round, which the Isles also have done isn't a recipe for success....although it might sell a few more tickets and make the owner feel better.

Yes playoff experience is priceless but if making the playoffs happens too soon it doesn't quicken the process for lasting success.

If Kruger is our 3c we will not be able to compete come playoff time with the western conference.
- nickmo2699

Why? Because he brings it 110% 82 games a season?

His game is suited for that role.

No offense taken, but I disagree.

Cap space is very important, but in a cap world where restocking your system with picks and prospects to help fill gaps when entry level guys exceed what you can afford to pay a certain slot, then you can't allow a guy who can at the very least fetch you a decent prospect or pick walk at years end.

There is no guarantee this team can win 16 playoff games. There is a very real log jam in the west. Hawks and Kings are above the rest, but not as far as they were say this past year. Dallas, STL, Anaheim, Minnesota can easily knock them off. Which is why Q better be smart about his minutes this year to his star players. Will it really matter if they finish 2nd-4th in the division? I don't think so. The only carrot is to win the central and face a hopeful crap wild card team from the pacific.

If Bowman goes for it and dumps a Rozsival say, and then can't resign Oduya and trades his rights for a crap pick, that's bad management IMO.
- SteveRain

Yes, but you don't trade someone just because you might lose him for nothing at the end of the season, especially if you have a realistic shot at winning it all.

Ideally, if someone is no longer a part of your future plans, then you get something (anything) for them. But, if keeping him, even knowing you're going to lose him at seasons' end, gives you the best chance to win this year, you keep him. Deal with next year, next year, and if he's gone then you take the cap space and move on.

Yes, but you don't trade someone just because you might lose him for nothing at the end of the season, especially if you have a realistic shot at winning it all.

Ideally, if someone is no longer a part of your future plans, then you get something (anything) for them. But, if keeping him, even knowing you're going to lose him at seasons' end, gives you the best chance to win this year, you keep him. Deal with next year, next year, and if he's gone then you take the cap space and move on.
- Ogilthorpe2

Bowman won't trade Oduya out of fear of losing him for nothing. The Hawks are built to get to the Conference Finals and they need to bear that cost.

Yes, but you don't trade someone just because you might lose him for nothing at the end of the season, especially if you have a realistic shot at winning it all.

Ideally, if someone is no longer a part of your future plans, then you get something (anything) for them. But, if keeping him, even knowing you're going to lose him at seasons' end, gives you the best chance to win this year, you keep him. Deal with next year, next year, and if he's gone then you take the cap space and move on.
- Ogilthorpe2

In a perfect world, correct....but the Hawks are facing a situation where they HAVE to trade somebody.

I know you want it to be Sharp. However, they will need Sharp's offense as they don't have an inhouse solution to fill the top 6 right now.

That was the point of my original post. If Oduya is demanding more money then the Hawks can afford to pay him next year, then you deal Oduya and light a candle that Leddy can play top 4 minutes.

Either way, I'd be shocked if the hawks dont' trade Oduya, Leddy, or Rozsival (and they would need to throw in a decent prospect to get somebody to bite on him).

Dress it up anyway you like: Leddy for Strome

Lee is the Isles next PWF.... kid already showed a nose for the net in a small sample size.

Lee is like a Saad to you except Saad is a better skater, Lee needs to polish that

But if 1 high end prospect is gonna get dealt for a high end Dman, I could see Lee being moved or Dal Colle
- Ur Not Me

Sorry but this is wrong. Lee is nothing like Saad until he proves it in the NHL - which Saad has for multiple seasons... This is a major flaw in your evaluation of where your prospects are and Snow's "value" for them.

We have the best D man from that same Notre Dame squad and many considered their best player the last 2 years in Johns. We are not pretending Johns could not be had for the right offer. Most are not valuing him based on his being the next physical stay at home bulwark of the next 10 years. I see you talk about Lee and other prospects as if they are sure fire top NHL talent. The only one I agree with is Reinhardt. He has a strong possibility of being a top pairing guy. Easy guess considering where he was drafted. The others FTMP all have proved nothing yet.

You do the same with Nielsen. Nielsen is a 30 year old 2C showing decent numbers against competition that are playing against a mediocre at best roster the last few years. He is not worth a package and a Leddy for Nielsen swap would not be unrealistic based on talent and age (not need or cap).

In a perfect world, correct....but the Hawks are facing a situation where they HAVE to trade somebody.

I know you want it to be Sharp. However, they will need Sharp's offense as they don't have an inhouse solution to fill the top 6 right now.

That was the point of my original post. If Oduya is demanding more money then the Hawks can afford to pay him next year, then you deal Oduya and light a candle that Leddy can play top 4 minutes.

Either way, I'd be shocked if the hawks dont' trade Oduya, Leddy, or Rozsival (and they would need to throw in a decent prospect to get somebody to bite on him).
- SteveRain

Disagree. Worry about next year...next year.

Losing one of the obvious choices (Roszival, Versteeg) or even losing Sharp would all be easier for the team to overcome this year, than losing Oduya.

If you know he's asking more than you can afford to pay him next year, you try to win it all this year, and worry about the rest later.

Again I say, when does Bickell use his body during the season? Maybe the key is put him on LTIR for the year and bring him back at the PO's.
- powerenforcer

Doesn't that solve the cap issue? They could do this with a combination of players and probably get by. Would need some help from the team doctor though..

Disagree. Worry about next year...next year.

Losing one of the obvious choices (Roszival, Versteeg) or even losing Sharp would all be easier for the team to overcome this year, than losing Oduya.

If you know he's asking more than you can afford to pay him next year, you try yo win it all this year, and worry about the rest later.
- Ogilthorpe2

In a perfect world, correct....but the Hawks are facing a situation where they HAVE to trade somebody.

I know you want it to be Sharp. However, they will need Sharp's offense as they don't have an inhouse solution to fill the top 6 right now.

That was the point of my original post. If Oduya is demanding more money then the Hawks can afford to pay him next year, then you deal Oduya and light a candle that Leddy can play top 4 minutes.

Either way, I'd be shocked if the hawks dont' trade Oduya, Leddy, or Rozsival (and they would need to throw in a decent prospect to get somebody to bite on him).
- SteveRain

Johnny O turns 34 going into the 2015/16 season so he will find more money as a UFA elsewhere, not Chicago. Until then, I think the Hawks would rather have him in their lineup as he fits their system perfectly.

Leddy is another matter. The brass has likely arrived at a conclusion on his upside and what they are willing to pay after this season.

Lots of time still to decide on which of the 2 to move - they probably want to watch Dahlstrom, Runblad, Johns and Van Riemsdyk in training camp before making a move.

Disagree. Worry about next year...next year.

Losing one of the obvious choices (Roszival, Versteeg) or even losing Sharp would all be easier for the team to overcome this year, than losing Oduya.

If you know he's asking more than you can afford to pay him next year, you try to win it all this year, and worry about the rest later.
- Ogilthorpe2

Chances are, you're going to be in somewhat of a rebuilding mode - or at least a transition mode - in 2015-16 (and, my guess is, 2016-17) under any circumstance - even if it costs you something then, you keep what you need to keep to be the best team possible this year.

Chances are, you're going to be in somewhat of a rebuilding mode - or at least a transition mode - in 2015-16 (and, my guess is, 2016-17) under any circumstance - even if it costs you something then, you keep what you need to keep to be the best team possible this year.
- StLBravesFan

I'm beginning to see this as the most likely scenario and nothing wrong with that....

I wouldnt mind doing Sharp for Glencross and a 2nd or 1st. For some reason i like Glencross.

Wouldnt want to subtract the only size left on the team though in Bickell
- BlazinMike

Explain to me what this does for Calgary? In all honesty... Acquire a 32 year old for a 31 year old, while also giving up a 2nd or (are you (frank)ing serious?) a 1st?

Yes Sharp is better then Glenny but 5.9 for 3 more years on a team that wont contend for at least that long? No thanks.

Explain to me what this does for Calgary? In all honesty... Acquire a 32 year old for a 31 year old, while also giving up a 2nd or (are you (frank)ing serious?) a 1st?

Yes Sharp is better then Glenny but 5.9 for 3 more years on a team that wont contend for at least that long? No thanks.
- IggyOnly

Meh, Sharp would immediately be the best player on the Flames. Think that has to count for a lot. Glenncross and a 2nd would be fine too. I dont really know how to make fair trades obviously, and its not like anything you or me says has any bearing on what happens in real life so who gives a poop?

Sorry to offend you big guy

That doesn't help Boston's cap situation.
- EKolb13

What about Hossa to Boston for Krecji? Gives Boston top line RW they are searching for, with Iginla gone. Hossa would probably OK the deal to play with his BFF, Chara. Hawks get their 2C, with TT moved to 2RW. Salaries are only $25k apart. Hawks would probably have to give up a prospect like Danault, as well. This deal doesn't help the salary cap, but addresses a major need area for both teams. Hawks also get a little younger, which would be good. Only downside for the Hawks is that Krecji will be a UFA next summer, and would need to be re-signed.

Sorry but this is wrong. Lee is nothing like Saad until he proves it in the NHL - which Saad has for multiple seasons... This is a major flaw in your evaluation of where your prospects are and Snow's "value" for them.

We have the best D man from that same Notre Dame squad and many considered their best player the last 2 years in Johns. We are not pretending Johns could not be had for the right offer. Most are not valuing him based on his being the next physical stay at home bulwark of the next 10 years. I see you talk about Lee and other prospects as if they are sure fire top NHL talent. The only one I agree with is Reinhardt. He has a strong possibility of being a top pairing guy. Easy guess considering where he was drafted. The others FTMP all have proved nothing yet.

You do the same with Nielsen. Nielsen is a 30 year old 2C showing decent numbers against competition that are playing against a mediocre at best roster the last few years. He is not worth a package and a Leddy for Nielsen swap would not be unrealistic based on talent and age (not need or cap).
- tredbrta

I think you misinterpreted my post about Lee and the comparison to Saad. I'm not saying he's Saad now, no way, I mean Lee has to prove it 1st of course. But I could see a similar style of play between the 2 was my point and that Saad is a better skater.
Plus when did I say that some prospects are sure fire NHL top talent? Besides Strome, Nelson or Lee who are projected to be in line-up are considered very valuable to isles. Grant it, I even said I could see Lee being moved for the right type of player. Plus when did I even say that the Isles D prospects are sure fire? Didn't either, just mentioned that team is very high on certain names ie Reinhardt, Poluck, Pokka. There are others like Mayfield & Czuczman who surprised us and played better than expected at years end. So there is no way I've tabbed them as the next big thing
On Frans, he's been one of the best 2C in the past 2 years. He plays against other top lines, just because he's not flashy he's very good and has been getting much better offensively as well, stats don't lie.

So yes a Leddy for Neilsen swap is unrealistic....

Meh, Sharp would immediately be the best player on the Flames. Think that has to count for a lot. Glenncross and a 2nd would be fine too. I dont really know how to make fair trades obviously, and its not like anything you or me says has any bearing on what happens in real life so who gives a poop?

Sorry to offend you big guy
- BlazinMike

Offended? Nah, just have to speak up when homers make homer proposals.