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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 12 @ 10:57 AM ET
Its not like Mason has been good for stretches and not so good for other stretches. He has been consistently solid since he put on the Flying P. Barring an injury I have no reason to believe he wont continue to be solid.

Goaltending is the LEAST of our worries, regardless of what Jeremy Roenick says.

- MBFlyerfan


exactly. i've seen enough from mason in a flyers uniform to feel very comfortable moving forward with him. it's also possible he gets even better.

and as long as we're talking about belfour, i don't recall him lighting the world on fire when he got to toronto either. and the flyers shredded him in the playoffs 2 years in a row (yes, i know they went 7 and 6 games).
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 12 @ 10:58 AM ET
Does that mean Homer's done a nice job collecting prospects over the last few years?
- PhillySportsGuy


He was promoted wasn't he? The proof is in the pudding.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 12 @ 11:00 AM ET
exactly. i've seen enough from mason in a flyers uniform to feel very comfortable moving forward with him. it's also possible he gets even better.

and as long as we're talking about belfour, i don't recall him lighting the world on fire when he got to toronto either. and the flyers shredded him in the playoffs 2 years in a row (yes, i know they went 7 and 6 games).

- hammarby31


Belfour's style, IMO, led to him being a very streaky goalie.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 12 @ 11:01 AM ET
Definitely. He's a top-30 NHL goaltender... that's not something they've had going back a long ways. As far as where he ranks amongst his peers, I'd say #15-20 in the league. There's just so many good ones these days, it's not a knock on him.
- Tomahawk


i'd argue he's top 15, and i'm fine with that. he's got a big stain on him from his days in columbus, and it will take 2 or 3 top seasons in a row in philly to shake that.

the average stint we've had for starting goalies here has been 2-3 years going back to hextall's first go around. it's time that ended.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 12 @ 11:02 AM ET
Its not like Mason has been good for stretches and not so good for other stretches. He has been consistently solid since he put on the Flying P. Barring an injury I have no reason to believe he wont continue to be solid.

Goaltending is the LEAST of our worries, regardless of what Jeremy Roenick says.

- MBFlyerfan


Exactly.

I even think there is room for Mason's numbers to get better as the team in front of him gets better and his confidence grows.

His raw physical skillset outpaces any Flyers goalie they've had in a long time, IMO.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 12 @ 11:02 AM ET
I think Mason's good enough to get us where we need to go.

He's got some winning to do yet, and that's not to be understated -- nothing matters until you win enough hockey games to make even ardent critics acknowledge that you're getting the job done.

But that guy...that guy's a good goalie, man. I'm not saying that because I just like the Flyers. I'm saying that because I watch a (frank)-ton of hockey, and that guy looks like a different player since he came to the Flyers. I've seen NOTHING in that guy's game to make me believe he's going to start getting strafed now.

- AllInForFlyers


agreed.
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Aug 12 @ 11:02 AM ET
perhaps, but there's little reason to believe he'll regress. he's been nothing but consistent since arriving at the end of 2013. he's matured on and off the ice. i'm thrilled to have him because i believe he'll be a long term stabilizer in goal that the team desperately needs.
- hammarby31


His Rookie season was as a 20 year old kid. I don't know too many 20 year old Goalies who hit the ground running and playing consistantly. Most don't get it together til later. I can see someone that age not being able to handle the most stressful position in sports. But I can also see the Talent was always there. I give Jeff Reese a lot of credit in getting Steve's game and head back on track. I'm not worried with Mason moving forward, but he'll need to string together more seasons of being solid to silence the criticisms of people who aren't following Philly. The good news is that the Fantasy Hockey players have already picked up on Mason as being a solid pick. It won't take long for the rest of the hockey world to realize it as well.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 12 @ 11:02 AM ET
The thing about those Lavi teams is that they still won the possession battle most nights, because they were so damned aggressive w/ applying pressure all over.

It's definitely been a rough transition the past few seasons... definitely seemed like a disconnect between the front-office and the coach wreaked havoc on the ice. With Hexy and Berube on the same page, I think chances are Chief will get the players he asks for, and some players he doesn't like will get the boot (Hartsy).

Hopefully that manifests itself in a clear identity on the ice, and the guys being on the same page.

- Tomahawk



The thing about those Lavi teams is that they were horrible in the neutral zone, and were recklessly aggressive and gave up odd man rush, after odd man rush. They barely won the possession battle in 11/12 and had a 132 more shots for then against over an 82 game season. Which amounts to 1.24 shots attempted for per game. That's meaningless. What mattered more is that they had a team that couldn't be effective playing that style, and the Coach never adapted. That's why they missed the playoffs.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 12 @ 11:03 AM ET
i'd argue he's top 15, and i'm fine with that. he's got a big stain on him from his days in columbus, and it will take 2 or 3 top seasons in a row in philly to shake that.

the average stint we've had for starting goalies here has been 2-3 years going back to hextall's first go around. it's time that ended.

- hammarby31


Amen!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 12 @ 11:04 AM ET
NO!!!!!
- MBFlyerfan


Had no idea what he was walking into
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 12 @ 11:04 AM ET
HF updated Flyers prospect rankings (and ratings):
http://www.hockeysfuture....-flyers-2014-fall-top-20/

- Tomahawk


Surprised to see stolarz so far down the list
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 12 @ 11:04 AM ET
the average stint we've had for starting goalies here has been 2-3 years going back to hextall's first go around. it's time that ended.
- hammarby31



BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 12 @ 11:05 AM ET
The thing about those Lavi teams is that they were horrible in the neutral zone, and were recklessly aggressive and gave up odd man rush, after odd man rush. They barely won the possession battle in 11/12 and had a 132 more shots for then against over an 82 game season. Which amounts to 1.24 shots attempted for per game. That's meaningless. What mattered more is that they had a team that couldn't be effective playing that style, and the Coach never adapted. That's why they missed the playoffs.
- MJL


Very true. What frustrated me wasn't their style of play as much as their failure to adapt their style to fit game situations. I was fine with their aggressive style to start games or when tied or trailing. But watching them take ridiculous chances while leading late in a period or game used to drive me nuts and it cost them points on many occasions.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 12 @ 11:06 AM ET
Surprised to see stolarz so far down the list
- Just5


I think it's really hard to judge goalie prospects at least until they start playing against pros.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 12 @ 11:07 AM ET
Pretty much every goalie in the League has to go throught the periods of doubt by outside sources, before they show that they are good enough. Then it changes. It's a normal progression. The solace I take is that any of the comments of Roenick or anyone else really don't amount to a hill of beans, and will have zero effect on how good of a goalie Mason turns out to be when all is said and done.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 12 @ 11:08 AM ET
Pretty much every goalie in the League has to go throught the periods of doubt by outside sources, before they show that they are good enough. Then it changes. It's a normal progression. The solace I take is that any of the comments of Roenick or anyone else really don't amount to a hill of beans, and will have zero effect on how good of a goalie Mason turns out to be when all is said and done.
- MJL

BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Aug 12 @ 11:08 AM ET
hi bingo
- -davies-



hi davies
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Aug 12 @ 11:09 AM ET
When they've had 1sts, they've always made the magic happen. Trick is having 1sts.
- Tomahawk


Ending up with Luke schenn for that #2 overrall pick is something David Copperfield couldn't even imagine
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Aug 12 @ 11:09 AM ET
The thing about those Lavi teams is that they were horrible in the neutral zone, and were recklessly aggressive and gave up odd man rush, after odd man rush. They barely won the possession battle in 11/12 and had a 132 more shots for then against over an 82 game season. Which amounts to 1.24 shots attempted for per game. That's meaningless. What mattered more is that they had a team that couldn't be effective playing that style, and the Coach never adapted. That's why they missed the playoffs.
- MJL


Dating back to the John Stevens era, the Flyers have almost always had great special teams play. If they break even at even strength, it should be enough to put them in the playoffs in the east. Anything more than breaking even at ES would be icing on the cake in my book.

Outshooting the opposition by 132 shots over the course of a season is a solid number. It gives you about 11 more goals at ES throughout a season.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 12 @ 11:10 AM ET
Mason was around league average for save percentage for the season last year and went thru a stretch of below .900 save percentage in December and January. I think you are overestimating his overall performance last year.
- psuhockey


You're ignoring the fact that Mason played for the most penalized team in the league, and one that was prone to having games where the defense fell apart entirely.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 12 @ 11:11 AM ET
Are you guys seriously still talking about this on a brand new blog?

Clarke vs. Lindros, who was the douche of that situation? Maybe we could ask Dave Babych for the answer. The Recchi hatred is stupid.

I don't expect Nickelback to get into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame and I'm not in love with them but they're clearly a talented band. To me, it's like someone one day said "Hey, I hate Nickolback" and then others followed because it sounds cool to say so. Using my own head and my own thinking, I think Van Halen is a horrid band but to each their own.

- SuperSchennBros


Clarke & Lindros' parents were the douches. There's plenty of blame on both sides in that one.

A band debate is largely opinion, I dislike Nickelback because they are formulaic, and most of their songs simply sound too much alike. The lyrics are simplistic and unwitty. There's nothing they have done that Def Leppard didn't do & do better years before.

Other bands I simply find more diverse & entertaining, and I listen to all kinds of music, from rock to jazz, from rap to classical
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Aug 12 @ 11:11 AM ET
Ending up with Luke schenn for that #2 overrall pick is something David Copperfield couldn't even imagine
- Just5


If Schenn plays like he did during the lockout season, or how he did against the Rags in the playoffs, that deal doesn't matter to me.

Schenn can do this, man. He can do this -- he did it for all but four or five games in the lockout season.

It's in there. The Flyers have to get it out of him! From Game 1 through Game 82, and the playoffs -- they've got to get Lockout Luke Schenn out of him!
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 12 @ 11:12 AM ET
Very true. What frustrated me wasn't their style of play as much as their failure to adapt their style to fit game situations. I was fine with their aggressive style to start games or when tied or trailing. But watching them take ridiculous chances while leading late in a period or game used to drive me nuts and it cost them points on many occasions.
- BiggE


They should have just fired Lavi once they decided they wanted to go full-on Bruins, and brought Chief (or some other Julien/Sutter disciple) in. Tigers and stripes and all.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 12 @ 11:12 AM ET
Clarke & Lindros' parents were the douches. There's plenty of blame on both sides in that one.

A band debate is largely opinion, I dislike Nickelback because they are formulaic, and most of their songs simply sound too much alike. The lyrics are simplistic and unwitty

- Jsaquella


Yup, at least Van Halen has an interesting guitarist to listen to.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Aug 12 @ 11:13 AM ET
Surprised to see stolarz so far down the list
- Just5


My buddy Akeson got knocked down pretty far too.

Fact is, he might end up on the opening night roster.
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