harty laugh or giggle laugh
- Flyfreaky

Ekblad is a weak first overall with a concussion now. You might want to hold off on the laughing.

Kadri's value being perceived as low as it is is perplexing to me.

Bailey is garbage...that's why he's on every Isle's fans trade list. Leaf fans with brains wouldn't trade Dion for Bailey...in any combination. Dion's contract has gotten better and better over the last month, and it'll only get better with time.
- djamon

The jury is still out on that one bc Bailey was not developed properly and forced onto roster when he should of been in juniors or AHL, etc. A change of scenery would probably regain his confidence bc the kid has skills....
He reminds me of the Kyle Turris situation where he couldn't do anything in Phx but a change of address has helped him.
Also Bailey is still young too.

harty laugh or giggle laugh
- Flyfreaky

A giggle laugh, with an undertone of unease. Maybe a little shiver.

you're wrong, the only player you're losing in that trade is kadri and ekblad and barkov will more than make up for that
- Flyfreaky

I never even heard of that trade. There was a blog on here basically saying Kadri/JVR for Ekblad alone wasn't nearly enough.

A giggle laugh, with an undertone of unease. Maybe a little shiver.
- djamon

i'd rather take a chance on highly rated young players than an aging dman who has lost all desire to compete now that he has his exit contract

I just think it has to do w/the contract and length of it as well. Bailey is almost $3.5M cheaper every year w/4 years left in comparison to 6yrs left for Dion. Now there could be a slight addition to the trade like a Donovan or another minor piece if you get my point? But I would think that some type of salary exchange will have to be made on any team trade, not just isles.
- Ur Not Me

But Bailey's contract is less because he's not nearly as good. Now you're putting too much value in cap hits.

The jury is still out on that one bc Bailey was not developed properly and forced onto roster when he should of been in juniors or AHL, etc. A change of scenery would probably regain his confidence bc the kid has skills....
He reminds me of the Kyle Turris situation where he couldn't do anything in Phx but a change of address has helped him.
Also Bailey is still young too.
- Ur Not Me

He's had 6 years in the NHL...he is what he is. Did you see what the Oilers got for Gagner who is a much better player, with a much more accomplished resume?

Not Dion...I can assure you.

But Bailey's contract is less because he's not nearly as good. Now you're putting too much value in cap hits.
- RogerRoeper

With certain teams the cap does come into play. Plus Bailey's contract comes from his bridge contract where Snow likes to gamble and get players signed on the cheap for a longer term, he did it with KO, Grabs, Hammer, JT. If it works it looks like a steal and if it doesn't work it not much money....

i'd rather take a chance on highly rated young players than an aging dman who has lost all desire to compete now that he has his exit contract
- Flyfreaky

Kadri is a young player who is proven. In fact, stats say he's better than B.Schenn who I'm sure you value as a Flyers fan.

And Dion is only 29 BTW.

Kadri is a young player who is proven. In fact, stats say he's better than B.Schenn who I'm sure you value as a Flyers fan.
- RogerRoeper

i'd love to dump b.schenn for a young dman

dion's a waste and has stopped playing

i'd love to dump b.schenn for a young dman
- Flyfreaky

And your best D-Man?

i'd rather take a chance on highly rated young players than an aging dman who has lost all desire to compete now that he has his exit contract
- Flyfreaky

Fair enough...you don't like Dion. But even though he isn't the player he was 5 years ago he's still a top 30 d-man in the league. And Kadri is already an effective, established NHL'er. Barkov has done nothing except get drafted too early. And now with Ekblad getting his first head booboo...who knows with him?

Unless you're in a Cap crunch situation, an established NHL player has much more value than a prospect. Put it this way...Florida would be happy if Barkov became Kadri, and they'd be ECSTATIC id Ekblad became Dion.

And your best D-Man?
- RogerRoeper

?

He's had 6 years in the NHL...he is what he is. Did you see what the Oilers got for Gagner who is a much better player, with a much more accomplished resume?

Not Dion...I can assure you.
- djamon

Either your chiming in unaware bc I never said Bailey straight up? Did I? No, I said I could see bailey being involved bc of salaries, most think a 2nd rd pick would be included, plus I think a player like Donovan or such can be added. So don't quote me on just a 1 for 1 trade bc even I know its not fair....

Kadri was drafted high AND he is young and proven. Yet his value is perceived as very low around these parts.

Fair enough...you don't like Dion. But even though he isn't the player he was 5 years ago he's still a top 30 d-man in the league. And Kadri is already an effective, established NHL'er. Barkov has done nothing except get drafted too early. And now with Ekblad getting his first head booboo...who knows with him?

Unless you're in a Cap crunch situation, an established NHL player has much more value than a prospect. Put it this way...Florida would be happy id Barkov became Kadri, and they'd be ECSTATIC id Ekblad became Dion.
- djamon

i think the leafs would be better off keeping dion and seeing if he has a nice season (just like reimer) and then look at moving him next off season

?
- Flyfreaky

Dion is a top 20-30 NHL D-Man.

Dion is a top 20-30 NHL D-Man.
- RogerRoeper

i still don't know what you're talking about

Either your chiming in unaware bc I never said Bailey straight up? Did I? No, I said I could see bailey being involved bc of salaries, most think a 2nd rd pick would be included, plus I think a player like Donovan or such can be added. So don't quote me on just a 1 for 1 trade bc even I know its not fair....
- Ur Not Me

And I said Bailey IN NO COMBINATION, would get traded for Dion. I don't know who Donovan is, but unless he's your best prospect he doesn't make up for the fact that Bailey wouldn't even make the Leafs right now...and he's due 13m.

Frankly...you guys should be looking at him as a salary dump. Except it takes all you have to get to the floor with that Owner you got there. Grabs and Kuli being Exhibit 1 and 1A.

Dion/Kadri/Nylander for Ekblad and Barkov? No thanks. The over-valuing of prospects who have done nothing has reached a critical and laughable level.
- djamon

I wouldn't do it either. Ekblad was a very weak 1st overall pick. He's a great prospect but Nylander,Ehlers,Ritchie,Virtanen,Fleury, aren't very far off from him.

i still don't know what you're talking about
- Flyfreaky

I'm talking about the Leafs giving up their best guy on the blueline. You said you'd easily give up Schenn for a young D-Man. But that isn't the deal.

And I said Bailey IN NO COMBINATION, would get traded for Dion. I don't know who Donovan is, but unless he's your best prospect he doesn't make up for the fact that Bailey wouldn't even make the Leafs right now...and he's due 13m.

Frankly...you guys should be looking at him as a salary dump. Except it takes all you have to get to the floor with that Owner you got there. Grabs and Kuli being Exhibit 1 and 1A.
- djamon

That's why the Leafs are stuck w/him & his salary. NO team would take Dion unless some type of salary is being obtained by Leafs or a player w/almost same type of contract length/salary is going back.
Why do u think the Leafs were looking to rid themselves of Clarkson's contract for a late draft pick? Only difference between the 2 is Dion is valued more bc F's can be replaced.

Edit: Also he wouldn't be a salary dump for Isles, right now the Isles have too many F's.

I'm talking about the Leafs giving up their best guy on the blueline. You said you'd easily give up Schenn for a young D-Man. But that isn't the deal.
- RogerRoeper

i still don't know what you're talking about with dion and schenn

i think the leafs are in a catch 22 with dion

i still don't know what you're talking about with dion and schenni think the leafs are in a catch 22 with dion
- Flyfreaky

Really?

Just keep Dion. You're far worse without him. It's that simple.

That's why the Leafs are stuck w/him & his salary. NO team would take Dion unless some type of salary is being obtained by Leafs or a player w/almost same type of contract length/salary is going back.
Why do u think the Leafs were looking to rid themselves of Clarkson's contract for a late draft pick? Only difference between the 2 is Dion is valued more bc F's can be replaced.
- Ur Not Me

Come on...be better than this. Dion's contract is fine, he's still a very good defenseman. Comparing his contract with Clarkson's shows you're just not paying attention. Of course teams would love to poach Dion from the Leafs for garbage like Bailey...but it won't happen.

If Dion is on the Leafs for the duration of his deal the Leafs are fine with that. If he gets moved it's because he's pushed out by younger players coming up and we can use him to acquire a 1C.