I'm not on here everyday, but I did read Islander fans proposing Bailey for Phaneuf a while back.
- Jeropotato

Yeah I dont think there are too many of us that are picky with adding a defenseman? With that said none of us are willing to give up some of the ridiculous proposals that came across this thread (for the most part).

STUPID! Saad + a 1 for Neilsen?

The reason we did not get Ryan Kesler is because of our unwillingness to trade Saad.

So we sure as hell aren't going to send him for Neilsen...adding a first round pick just makes such a trade Onion level stuff.
- kwolf68

Nielsen has been the better player the last two seasons..
potentially even 3. Nielsen has never had quality line mates to play with.

Yeah I dont think there are too many of us that are picky with adding a defenseman? With that said none of us are willing to give up some of the ridiculous proposals that came across this thread (for the most part).
- Cptmjl

Just curious, what would you feel would be a good trade for the Hawks to send Leddy (or another defenseman) to the Islanders where the Isles would NOT send any salary back and that the Hawks would actually accept? I'm not talking Sharp. I'm not talking Saad (how the hell do I turn spell check off.... every damn time I type Saad it changes it to Salad). I'm taking Leddy, Oduya or Rozsival.

Let's be realistic. Leddy for a 7th round pick and your 6th-7th rotational defenseman playing for Bridgeport is not going to happen. What would YOU offer?

NYI 2015 DRAFT PICKS
1- no first round (Vanek trade)
2 - Philly's pick from a trade, NYI own was traded (Vanek)
3 - two picks, one from Florida and their own
4 - their own pick
5 - no fifth Rd pick (Boyle trade)
6 - their own pick
7 - two picks, their own pick and Tampa's pick

Over 7 years I have been here.. posting almost every day.... you 2 are the first to ever bring this to my attention.

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- XxNYIxX

You don't see it as kinda odd?

Just curious, what would you feel would be a good trade for the Hawks to send Leddy (or another defenseman) to the Islanders where the Isles would NOT send any salary back and that the Hawks would actually accept? I'm not talking Sharp. I'm not talking Saad (how the hell do I turn spell check off.... every damn time I type Saad it changes it to Salad). I'm taking Leddy, Oduya or Rozsival.

Let's be realistic. Leddy for a 7th round pick and your 6th-7th rotational defenseman playing for Bridgeport is not going to happen. What would YOU offer?

NYI 2015 DRAFT PICKS
1- no first round (Vanek trade)
2 - Philly's pick from a trade, NYI own was traded (Vanek)
3 - two picks, one from Florida and their own
4 - their own pick
5 - no fifth Rd pick (Boyle trade)
6 - their own pick
7 - two picks, their own pick and Tampa's pick
- MNHawk

Personally, I want to stay away from Leddy for we have a greater need at a stay at home defenseman. We have Viznovsky, who when healthy is still a top 4 defender, de Haan (who if he keeps his play up is a #2-3 defenseman), and to a lesser extent Hickey for proven players. Then we have Donovan who produced phenomenal advanced stats last season with poop D partners, and TJ breenan, both unproven but have shown flashes without fair chances.

Yeah I dont think there are too many of us that are picky with adding a defenseman? With that said none of us are willing to give up some of the ridiculous proposals that came across this thread (for the most part).
- Cptmjl

Well, like I said, it looks like Petry is not in the long term plans for the Oilers. He's been miscast as our #1 D-Man, but is probably more a 2 to a strong #1, or a solid 2nd pairing guy. We need a short term 2C that is probably better suited for the 3C role ....I wonder if Mac T and Snow might be able to work out a deal.

Just curious, what would you feel would be a good trade for the Hawks to send Leddy (or another defenseman) to the Islanders where the Isles would NOT send any salary back and that the Hawks would actually accept? I'm not talking Sharp. I'm not talking Saad (how the hell do I turn spell check off.... every damn time I type Saad it changes it to Salad). I'm taking Leddy, Oduya or Rozsival.

Let's be realistic. Leddy for a 7th round pick and your 6th-7th rotational defenseman playing for Bridgeport is not going to happen. What would YOU offer?

NYI 2015 DRAFT PICKS
1- no first round (Vanek trade)
2 - Philly's pick from a trade, NYI own was traded (Vanek)
3 - two picks, one from Florida and their own
4 - their own pick
5 - no fifth Rd pick (Boyle trade)
6 - their own pick
7 - two picks, their own pick and Tampa's pick
- MNHawk

Bailey, Donavan and a 3rd round pick for Leddy or Oduya and a 4th round pick
i dont want Rozsival

Bailey, Donavan and a 3rd round pick for Leddy or Oduya and a 4th round pick
i dont want Rozsival
- Larry079

That's too much, Donovan has value.

Personally, I want to stay away from Leddy for we have a greater need at a stay at home defenseman. We have Viznovsky, who when healthy is still a top 4 defender, de Haan (who if he keeps his play up is a #2-3 defenseman), and to a lesser extent Hickey for proven players. Then we have Donovan who produced phenomenal advanced stats last season with poop D partners, and TJ breenan, both unproven but have shown flashes without fair chances.
- Danformo

I agree but visnovsky is never going to stay healthy. Leddy is a good skating puck moving dman I'll take him for the right price................

Bailey, Donavan and a 3rd round pick for Leddy or Oduya and a 4th round pick
i dont want Rozsival
- Larry079

Holy smokes, we would give up Petry for way less...but he isn't as famous as those guys so you probably assume he isn't very good.

Bailey, Donavan and a 3rd round pick for Leddy or Oduya and a 4th round pick
i dont want Rozsival
- Larry079

Interesting. The problem with taking back Bailey is that it doesn't help the Hawks salary cap issue, in fact it increases the problem by another $600k...lol. Donovan and a third is nice as the Hawks could stash Donovan in Rockford for a year or keep him up if they sent TT down as the salary juuuusssst works to clear the cap and replace Leddy as the 5th damn (rotate Rozsival, Rundblad and Donovan).

However, I have to claim ignorance on Donovan. Am I really getting value for Donovan and a 3rd (plus another TBD asset) for a young and developing defenseman who has Stanley Cup Champion experience?

Who would you include beside Bailey? Stan has returned your call and is willing to listen. But he's sorry, he can't take back Bailey's salary.

Well, like I said, it looks like Petry is not in the long term plans for the Oilers. He's been miscast as our #1 D-Man, but is probably more a 2 to a strong #1, or a solid 2nd pairing guy. We need a short term 2C that is probably better suited for the 3C role ....I wonder if Mac T and Snow might be able to work out a deal.
- Jeropotato

Don't see a match unless you want picks/pick bc the Isles don't have spare C in system to trade off. Now W is a different story...

Don't see a match unless you want picks/pick bc the Isles don't have spare C in system to trade off. Now W is a different story...
- Ur Not Me

Don't you have 6 NHL Centers? Tavares, Grabo, Nielson, Bailey, Nelson and Lee?

Nielsen has been the better player the last two seasons..
potentially even 3. Nielsen has never had quality line mates to play with.
- Danformo

Considering Saad wasn't in the league 3 years ago, I hope Neilsen was better.

Don't you have 6 NHL Centers? Tavares, Grabo, Nielson, Bailey, Nelson and Lee?
- Jeropotato

Lee is not a C more like a PWF
Nelson wont be moved for Petry or almost anyone else - almost untouchable by Snow
Grabo just signed
Nielson wont be moved for Petry either
Bailey is the only possible player but don't think Oilers would want him?
JT - never a discussion

Considering Saad wasn't in the league 3 years ago, I hope Neilsen was better.
- Elbows15

Talking about Kesler and Nielsen friend

Dont bother. Id actually take sharp. I think he'd be awesome playing with tavares. Won a couple cups. I just find it funny how the hawks and their fans(sorry im generalizing i meam the two on this thread)want to get rid of this up and coming "first pairing" defenseman in leddy? Ridiculous. Half their thread couldnt wait to get rid of him for jack shat now all of a sudden hes some incredible young player. I dont care what kind of depth you have teams dont do that. It makes zero sense. You'd think some of these guys actually think theyre making the deals?
- Cptmjl

Wow. What a know it all.

Plenty of reason to understand the Leddy/Sharp/Oduya trade talk by Hawks fans. It's called the hard salary cap. Leddy specifically I explained in earlier posts. When you have a 19-22 year old playing sided by side 4 d men in their primes it tends to spotlight the shortcomings - particularly defensively. I see talk here about Visnevsky being top 4 with the Isles. Leddy is better than him now.

There are many Hawks faithful who do not want to see him go but the space has to come from somewhere and Leddy's salary will only escalate beyond value with Sheehy as his agent.

no thank you

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- XxNYIxX

Good thing your aren't a GM. That would be an all out steal for Sharp. He is one of your top 3 players immediately.

That's always the thing in the end. If Chicago was serious I would trade one or 2 of the many extra forwards like Lee and/Bailey to get it done....but no real high end picks/prospects. Chicago got themselves in the cap trouble, let them bite the bullet.
- Jeropotato

I expect they will have to (the Hawks) bite the bullet. Getting a pick and a prospect would definitely be that. Sharp is a better scorer and only a year older than Kesler. No way the Hawks see a comparable package due to the cap. The price of winning.

Amazing the disparity amongst hawk fans on the value of leddy
- Cptmjl

Yep, fans have differing opinions on players. Really amazing. Shocked.

Its an interesting proposal for both sides. Most might say not enough and few might say to much. But bc the Hawks are against the cap & Bailey + Grabner being part of this offer doesn't help there cap issue bc its almost a similar salary swap give or take a few million. The sweetener is 1 of the Dmen + pick.

I wouldn't make this trade w/Leddy being included bc the isles have Leddy type Dmen on roster & in pipeline, isles need more of a defensive type player instead.
But if I had to give my opinion, to me a fair offer.
- Ur Not Me

Sub Oduya for Leddy and there is some cap benefit. Maybe pull Bailey for a Lee or pick/prospect. I could see the Hawks coveting Grabner due to his speed and their breakout game so I wouldn't consider that a non starter.

Also, Snow could possibly turn an asset like a Sharp or Oduya around later for a better return because he does not have the cap pressure.

Talking about Kesler and Nielsen friend
- Danformo

As much as I dislike Kesler, Nielsen isn't better than Kesler.

Not to mention, Why are Hawk fans so gung ho on moving Sharp?? Every blog I have been a part of when its spoken about acquiring one of their defensemen they always want to trade us Sharp. We dont need Sharp...

We walk into the Chicago Blackhawk garage looking for a new set of tires because the ones we have are a bit warn, the valve stems are cracking, and three of them have slow leaks.
They are excited about selling us a tune up and new headlights!!
The car runs fine, the lights work well, all we need are 4 new tires.
"But the engine could run SO much better"
But it runs, runs well... the tires on the other hand are going to cause us fits.

XxNYIxX
- XxNYIxX

Yes, and you are the know it all car owner who likes to tell the mechanic how to do his job. It is all a matter of perspective.

Check the Isles record and top 6. You post as if you have a contender all lined up and ready to roll. Saw the same kind of posts last summer - sort of agreed with them.

The truth is you have a young team badly led and badly coached. The Hawks have cap issues but are still a young team. Some in Chicago see the cap flex they need coming from a 2nd tier salary hit like Sharp rather than from trades of large number of players. They want to remain a young team so Sharp looks like the guy.

Hossa was a key pick up for the young Hawks. He shifted the entire dynamic in the room. Sharp could possibly be the same for the Isles. That is the rationale I see from a few who have suggested the Isles being a fit for Sharp.

I suppose we could talk about a Seabrook trade. He has also been mentioned as a down the road cap casualty but then you are talking about a major package including multiple picks and prospects plus rostered players. Seabrook though, unlike Sharp and Leddy, has never been rumored to be moved so why bother?

Key point - Leddy and Sharp are discussed because there have been reports they are available.

As much as I dislike Kesler, Nielsen isn't better than Kesler.
- Elbows15

No, Neilsen is not better than Kesler. That is just homer-ism.

PS: Send my best to "blacklistville". I'm LMAO at him. Totally deserved.

Sub Oduya for Leddy and there is some cap benefit. Maybe pull Bailey for a Lee or pick/prospect. I could see the Hawks coveting Grabner due to his speed and their breakout game so I wouldn't consider that a non starter.

Also, Snow could possibly turn an asset like a Sharp or Oduya around later for a better return because he does not have the cap pressure.
- tredbrta

Lee wouldn't be in a discussion for Oduya, not even a consideration. If Hawks are looking for cap relief and Isles are the trading partner the only thing I can see swapped is picks or players such as Donovan or Hickey which are Dman who have no salary. For any part of Lee, Frans or someone of that type of value you need to start w/Hammer or guys on his value level. Like I have said plenty of times a trade between the 2 teams cant happen bc you don't have the cap space or depth on D to part with.