Personally I'd like to see Smith go. If we can bring in Sharp for Smith + (not our 1st and not Lazar) then I'd be all for it.

The reason I'd like Smith gone is that he takes way to many penalties. Especially in the offensive zone.

Maybe.. Smith, Paul, Dal 2nd, Gryba would do it. For Smith and Leddy.

Not in the opinion of the Senators or Paul MacLean. Clearly you place a much lower value on Smith than what some others do.
- spatso

Well, when he is mentioned in the same breath as Patrick Sharp, then ya, his value isn't that high.

I find it funny how Smith is a great 3rd/4th line centre with a great contract, and is relatively young, but yet we are going to move him? Isn't that the exact combination the Senators want in their players?

I'd like to keep Smith. I think he is an alright 4th line guy. I would like to see some of the grit and nastiness he had before he got concussed and then we'd really have something. Possibly a replacement for Neil.

I would move Smith for Sharp in a heartbeat, but doubt Chicago does that deal without a 1st and/or decent prospect being included.

He got better last season 14 goals in a 4th line center role is pretty good

- top shelf 15

Smith: 13 goals and 9 helpers in 82 games.

Sharp: 34 goals and 44 helpers in 82 games.

Well, when he is mentioned in the same breath as Patrick Sharp, then ya, his value isn't that high.

I find it funny how Smith is a great 3rd/4th line centre with a great contract, and is relatively young, but yet we are going to move him? Isn't that the exact combination the Senators want in their players?

I'd like to keep Smith. I think he is an alright 4th line guy. I would like to see some of the grit and nastiness he had before he got concussed and then we'd really have something. Possibly a replacement for Neil.

I would move Smith for Sharp in a heartbeat, but doubt Chicago does that deal without a 1st and/or decent prospect being included.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

I'm with ya, Gord.

This poop is ridiculous. What a pipedream.

You want a deal that would actually work involving Smith/Sharp?

Smith, Stone, 1st rounder, Weircioch

For

Sharp, Leddy

Offering Smith, some nobody prospect, and a 2nd rounder is a joke. Please (frank) off with that, everybody.

I'm with ya, Gord.

This poop is ridiculous. What a pipedream.

You want a deal that would actually work involving Smith/Sharp?

Smith, Stone, 1st rounder, Weircioch

For

Sharp, Leddy

Offering Smith, some nobody prospect, and a 2nd rounder is a joke. Please (frank) off with that, everybody.
- TommyDeVito

He got better last season 14 goals in a 4th line center role is pretty good

- top shelf 15

Don't know the numbers but Smith ended up taking a lot of starts in his own end. MacLean trusted him a lot more than some other guys not named Turris.

I'm with ya, Gord.

This poop is ridiculous. What a pipedream.

You want a deal that would actually work involving Smith/Sharp?

Smith, Stone, 1st rounder, Weircioch

For

Sharp, Leddy

Offering Smith, some nobody prospect, and a 2nd rounder is a joke. Please (frank) off with that, everybody.
- TommyDeVito

Leddy is a dump by the Hawks. He is okay as a player but his agent is over the top and the Hawks know they just can't sign him next year. He is an asset but not sure he is an upgrade over Wiercioche. Chicago has a much greater desire to move him than Ottawa does to acquire him.

I'm with ya, Gord.

This poop is ridiculous. What a pipedream.

You want a deal that would actually work involving Smith/Sharp?

Smith, Stone, 1st rounder, Weircioch

For

Sharp, Leddy

Offering Smith, some nobody prospect, and a 2nd rounder is a joke. Please (frank) off with that, everybody.
- TommyDeVito

I honestly would not pay a lot for Sharp. I mean that package you said would actually set us back than move us forward. Ottawa just can't give away more 1st rd pick, especially in 2015. In fact we should be doing everything we can to get more picks (not just 1st). The problem with your package for Sharp and Leddy is that makes us a middle of the road team in the east and in order to be a great team this current one may have to take a step back before it can take a huge step forward. Know what I mean?

If Ottawa can get him cheap then it's not as big a deal. But, if it's expensive then it really doesn't do a lot for us.

I honestly would not pay a lot for Sharp. I mean that package you said would actually set us back than move us forward. Ottawa just can't give away more 1st rd pick, especially in 2015. In fact we should be doing everything we can to get more picks (not just 1st). The problem with your package for Sharp and Leddy is that makes us a middle of the road team in the east and in order to be a great team this current one may have to take a step back before it can take a huge step forward. Know what I mean?

If Ottawa can get him cheap then it's not as big a deal. But, if it's expensive then it really doesn't do a lot for us.
- riceroni

Agree.

Only a short while ago some guys were proposing that Ottawa should offer up Lazar and Smith for Sharp. Insane. The guy is seriously aged.

I honestly would not pay a lot for Sharp. I mean that package you said would actually set us back than move us forward. Ottawa just can't give away more 1st rd pick, especially in 2015. In fact we should be doing everything we can to get more picks (not just 1st). The problem with your package for Sharp and Leddy is that makes us a middle of the road team in the east and in order to be a great team this current one may have to take a step back before it can take a huge step forward. Know what I mean?

If Ottawa can get him cheap then it's not as big a deal. But, if it's expensive then it really doesn't do a lot for us.
- riceroni

Yep we arent giving up our first for him or Lazar,Stone ETC.They need the cap space not us ,most younger or rebuilding teams wont give them that either.So they need decent cheap players and teams that are willing to move them ,Ottawa has a few, and we wont be giving them away to help Chicago

I'm with ya, Gord.

This poop is ridiculous. What a pipedream.

You want a deal that would actually work involving Smith/Sharp?

Smith, Stone, 1st rounder, Weircioch

For

Sharp, Leddy

Offering Smith, some nobody prospect, and a 2nd rounder is a joke. Please (frank) off with that, everybody.
- TommyDeVito

Who is going to give chicago that????EDM,BUF??? name a team, that would be willing to part with their 1st and two cheap decent roster players and a a blue chip prospect for a 33year old winger with a 5.9 cap hit .Thats on a team that needs cap space badly!!!You are the one thats being crazy dude

Just want to point out that we were 5th in the East (11th overall) in Goals for (229)
and 14th in the East (27th overall out of 30 teams) in Goals against (258)
To put this in perspective, LA's numbers last year were 198/168 (-31/-90)
Montreal: 209/201 NYR: 214/190 Bos: 258/171 Chi:261/212
I get that we will lose production with the loss of Spezza
My point being that we need to be better defensively, Patrick Sharpe isn't going to solve any problems we had last year.
I liked the scrappy team we were 2 years ago that fought tooth and nail for every inch.
(A red hot Anderson helped, too...)
We need to get back to that style of play throughout the lineup, no coasting on the backcheck. IMO

Just want to point out that we were 5th in the East (11th overall) in Goals for (229)
and 14th in the East (27th overall out of 30 teams) in Goals against (258)
To put this in perspective, LA's numbers last year were 198/168 (-31/-90)
Montreal: 209/201 NYR: 214/190 Bos: 258/171 Chi:261/212
I get that we will lose production with the loss of Spezza
My point being that we need to be better defensively, Patrick Sharpe isn't going to solve any problems we had last year.
I liked the scrappy team we were 2 years ago that fought tooth and nail for every inch.
(A red hot Anderson helped, too...)
We need to get back to that style of play throughout the lineup, no coasting on the backcheck. IMO
- JN1980

Losing one of the worst offenders in Spezza should help here ,with a stronger backchecking team the defense wont be hung out to dry as much hense better all around better defensive play

Losing one of the worst offenders in Spezza should help here ,with a stronger backchecking team the defense wont be hung out to dry as much hense better all around better defensive play
- top shelf 15

Spezza had 66 points but was a -26
Michalek just behind with a -25
Phillips -12
Hard to believe Karlsson was -15!
Even harder to believe Cowen was even haha
I get the fact that they were up against different lines though, just thought it was funny.
Turris looking really good here, +22 on a team that scored 29 less times than the opposition...

http://senators.nhl.com/c...=2&season=20132014&srt=pm

Smith plus a 2nd for Sharp come on guys...

I honestly would not pay a lot for Sharp. I mean that package you said would actually set us back than move us forward. Ottawa just can't give away more 1st rd pick, especially in 2015. In fact we should be doing everything we can to get more picks (not just 1st). The problem with your package for Sharp and Leddy is that makes us a middle of the road team in the east and in order to be a great team this current one may have to take a step back before it can take a huge step forward. Know what I mean?

If Ottawa can get him cheap then it's not as big a deal. But, if it's expensive then it really doesn't do a lot for us.
- riceroni

I would never do that deal in a million years - but I'm telling you all, that's what it takes.

When has a star player been traded to save money, in the 9 years the NHL has had a salary cap? Never. And Chicago won't do it either.

There's a lot of teams that would trade good futures and solid role players in bunches to get ahold of a guy like Sharp. We can't compete in that market. Period.

I would never do that deal in a million years - but I'm telling you all, that's what it takes.

When has a star player been traded to save money, in the 9 years the NHL has had a salary cap? Never. And Chicago won't do it either.

There's a lot of teams that would trade good futures and solid role players in bunches to get ahold of a guy like Sharp. We can't compete in that market. Period.
- TommyDeVito

Most teams that are contending wont trade away ,cheap decent players.And decent prospects whom can become cheap decent players.Whom in the east has the types of players chicago is rumoured to want ????Cap space is the need for chicago ,along with better depth in the bottom 6

I would never do that deal in a million years - but I'm telling you all, that's what it takes.

When has a star player been traded to save money, in the 9 years the NHL has had a salary cap? Never. And Chicago won't do it either.
There's a lot of teams that would trade good futures and solid role players in bunches to get ahold of a guy like Sharp. We can't compete in that market. Period.
- TommyDeVito

Agreed. This is like all star players wanting to come to Toronto (oh and with a discount )

My all time favourite though is being able to dump the worst player on your team who's massively overpaid to HELP a team get to the cap floor.

Komisarek, Gomez, Luongo, Jeff Finger etc.

Who is going to give chicago that????EDM,BUF??? name a team, that would be willing to part with their 1st and two cheap decent roster players and a a blue chip prospect for a 33year old winger with a 5.9 cap hit .Thats on a team that needs cap space badly!!!You are the one thats being crazy dude


- top shelf 15

Oilers - Yakupov, Aulie, 2nd
Calgary - Baertschi, Backlund, 2nd
Carolina - Tlusty, Riley Nash, 1st
Columbus - Wennberg, Tyrell, Letestu, 2nd
Detroit - Helm, Jurco, 2nd
Florida - Howden, Bergenheim, 1st
NYI - Nielsen, Collberg, 1st
NJ - Zubrus, Gionta, 1st

There's an assortment of teams that would be competing against us, and the sort of things they would bid at the high end. Smith and (frank)ing prince does not compete with that.

chicago has plenty of options, they don't need to trade Sharp to us, so you all need to get that silly notion out of your heads. They could move Oduya, Bickell, or any number of guys to get cap compliant.

Most teams that are contending wont trade away ,cheap decent players.And decent prospects whom can become cheap decent players.Whom in the east has the types of players chicago is rumoured to want ????Cap space is the need for chicago ,along with better depth in the bottom 6
- top shelf 15

Chicago won't want Smith and mediocre prospect for Sharp. Kruger is just as good as Smith also, Smith isn't someone they are crying for and absolutely need.

Chicago won't want Smith and mediocre prospect for Sharp. Kruger is just as good as Smith also, Smith isn't someone they are crying for and absolutely need.
- ClarksonDavid

See what you've all done?

You've forced me to team up with a leaf fan to disagree with you.

For shame.

Chicago won't want Smith and mediocre prospect for Sharp. Kruger is just as good as Smith also, Smith isn't someone they are crying for and absolutely need.
- ClarksonDavid

Never said Zsmith and a mediocre prospect,my deal was Zsmith one of greening/condra,Dal 2nd and a prospect like Prince maybe Puemple.4 FOR 1, two help right now.And two help down the road .Add in the cap savings and its not as bad as most think it is

Never said Zsmith and a mediocre prospect,my deal was Zsmith one of greening/condra,Dal 2nd and a prospect like Prince maybe Puemple.4 FOR 1, two help right now.And two help down the road .Add in the cap savings and its not as bad as most think it is

- top shelf 15

Here's why that's stupid:

Smith and Greening - 4.5 million - savings vs Sharp - 1.4 Million

Smith and Condra - 3.1 Million - Savings vs Sharp - 2.75 Million

2nd round pick - nothing special
Puempel - B level Prospect
Prince - C level Prospect

So basically, you're asking Chicago, a team built to win now, to send you a bonafide star, who just had a career year regardless of his age, in exchange for:

- 1 bottom 6 center
- a brutally overpaid bottom 6 winger OR a bottom 6 winger who doesn't score
- a second rounder
- a middling prospect.
- Between 1.4-2.7 million in cap space

OR

chicago could trade Johnny Oduya and Ben Smith, replace them with Teravainen and Clendening, and save 4 million on the cap without giving up Sharp.

hmmmmm....

Here's why that's stupid:

Smith and Greening - 4.5 million - savings vs Sharp - 1.4 Million

Smith and Condra - 3.1 Million - Savings vs Sharp - 2.75 Million

2nd round pick - nothing special
Puempel - B level Prospect
Prince - C level Prospect

So basically, you're asking Chicago, a team built to win now, to send you a bonafide star, who just had a career year regardless of his age, in exchange for:

- 1 bottom 6 center
- a brutally overpaid bottom 6 winger OR a bottom 6 winger who doesn't score
- a second rounder
- a middling prospect.
- Between 1.4-2.7 million in cap space

OR

chicago could trade Johnny Oduya and Ben Smith, replace them with Teravainen and Clendening, and save 4 million on the cap without giving up Sharp.

hmmmmm....
- TommyDeVito

Add leddy, versteeg and rozival,that is the problem nobody wants these players .And chicago cant buy them out .So how do they get better depth and cap space ????

I hope PW never gets a minute of ice time with Erik Karlsson. Weircioch is good at driving playing and being the 'QB'. But if he is ever handling the puck instead of Karlsson, we will all turn on him.