Easy: Brooks Orpik.
- Tomahawk

Has been regarded as one of the better shutdown d-men for years. Has a better reputation than Coburn.

Easy: Brooks Orpik.
- Tomahawk

Was Ryan Whitney really ever that much of a stud though? He was at the same level as Matt Carle for a lesser amount of time.

Important question: at what point does Kimmo need to retire for his 2M to come off the cap? This is important because there is a good chance the Flyers wait and see with his condition. Timing is also key if they plan on making a trade or signing another UFA with regard to available cap.
- coffee junkie

I don't know why he would retire. Retiring would be voluntarily giving up 2M bucks.

I said before it wasnt an end all, be all. But it is useful. For instance Pronger is a monster +/-. That is no mistake.
- GOA88

Pretty sure Weber was a minus player this season. That's no mista-

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Was Ryan Whitney really ever that much of a stud though? He was at the same level as Matt Carle for a lesser amount of time.
- SuperSchennBros

He scored 59 pts in a season just at or around the time he was an olympian. So at that time he deserved it.

Has been regarded as one of the better shutdown d-men for years. Has a better reputation than Coburn.
- GOA88

Guys like Komisarek, Volchenkov, Gleason, Colin White, Witt, and Gill had stellar reputations as "shut down" dmen too... didn't stop them from getting kicked to the curb by their clubs.

Pretty sure Weber was a minus player this season. That's no mista-

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- Giroux_Is_God

lol

Has been regarded as one of the better shutdown d-men for years. Has a better reputation than Coburn.
- GOA88

The fact that it's even close tells you all that you need to know. I don't have the list of current American Olympicans in front of me but I can blindly tell you that Coburn wouldn't be out of place on Team USA.

Guys like Komisarek, Volchenkov, Gleason, Colin White, Witt, and Gill had stellar reputations as "shut down" dmen too... didn't stop them from getting kicked to the curb by their clubs.
- Tomahawk

Well they all regressed by that time.

He scored 59 pts in a season just at or around the time he was an olympian. So at that time he deserved it.
- GOA88

Crosby had 120 pts that year... let's just say that his coattails were long and roomy.

Well they all regressed by that time.
- GOA88

And old Brooksy is on the top of his game, right?

The fact that it's even close tells you all that you need to know. I don't have the list of current American Olympicans in front of me but I can blindly tell you that Coburn wouldn't be out of place on Team USA.
- SuperSchennBros

Tell you what. I would have Coburn over Paul Martin or Justin Faulk. He would be a scratch to me though. Those two were picked because they can create offense.

And old Brooksy is on the top of his game, right?
- Tomahawk

Well he is 33 years old now. Still solid IMO.

Crosby had 120 pts that year... let's just say that his coattails were long and roomy.
- Tomahawk

I bet Coburn would become a 50 pt guy on Pitt.

He scored 59 pts in a season just at or around the time he was an olympian. So at that time he deserved it.
- GOA88

Ryan Whitney had 59 points in his second season as an NHLer. I'm pretty sure Whitney was an Olympian in 2010 when he had 32 points and traded from the Ducks to the Oilers the same season.

Ryan Whitney had 59 points in his second season as an NHLer. I'm pretty sure Whitney was an Olympian in 2010 when he had 32 points and traded from the Ducks to the Oilers the same season.
- SuperSchennBros

But did he have an impact on that team, whatsoever? This all started because you compared Coburn to Hatcher. If Hatcher was Canadien since we are going by what ifs... He would have been an impact player on that team as well.

Tell you what. I would have Coburn over Paul Martin or Justin Faulk. He would be a scratch to me though. Those two were picked because they can create offense.
- GOA88

You asked me to name one Olympian who Coburn could beat out on Team USA. I did. At the same time you tried to make a case for Ryan Whitney and based on what I'm reading is incorrect. Yes Whitney has had 59 point season and feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but that 59 point season was years after he played in the Olympics.

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Well he is 33 years old now. Still solid IMO.
- GOA88

I think we all know he's a walking buy out waiting to happen.

Edit: Coburn has all the traits of the ideal shutdown under today's rules... he's a monster defending zone entries, and he's above-average everywhere else on his side of the red-line. I suspect w/ Kimmo out, that he'll get some PP time this year, too, which will boost the point totals.

I think we all know he's a walking buy out waiting to happen.
- Tomahawk

HAHA, I never said he was worth that kinda money. Holy hell will the Caps regret that.

But did he have an impact on that team, whatsoever? This all started because you compared Coburn to Hatcher. If Hatcher was Canadien since we are going by what ifs... He would have been an impact player on that team as well.
- GOA88

Coburn has a clear cut impact on this team simply by being considered our number one defenseman right now.

I said before it wasnt an end all, be all. But it is useful. For instance Pronger is a monster +/-. That is no mistake.
- GOA88

I don't recall Pronger playing last year.

Coburn has a clear cut impact on this team simply by being considered our number one defenseman right now.
- SuperSchennBros

Ok, but how is this in any relation to Derian Hatcher?

I don't recall Pronger playing last year.
- MJL

Thats cause he didnt. Im using him as a reference. Do you think it was by mistake that his +/- was always good?

Tell you what. I would have Coburn over Paul Martin or Justin Faulk. He would be a scratch to me though. Those two were picked because they can create offense.
- GOA88

I like Coburn, but Paul Martin is a much better player. Paul Martin is very underrated.

Ok, but how is this in any relation to Derian Hatcher?
- GOA88

How isn't it? I brought up the name (Hatcher) which might be a reach but by a lot. Your trying to defend your argument but are doing a poor job.