We have an elite receiving Corp!.....but they are the reason EJ is terrible.

We have an Elite defense!.... but they can't stop the run or stop other teams from scoring

This is Buffalo Bills Fan thinking101
- RynoBull

I think he's saying that the receivers will look worse than they really are because of the quarterback. I tend to agree. I never liked the pick when they made it after watching him at Florida State, and the reasons for that were magnified this year.

Everyone likes to point to that Carolina game as the "see, he can do it" moment, but they tend to forget that the Panthers played some of the dumbest football known to man on that drive. Basically all the passes down field were screen passes because Ron Rivera played a deep prevent. The game should have been over after Luke Kuechly tackled Stevie Johnson despite the fact that the ball was thrown by Manuel well out of Johson's reach anyway. And then the 4th and 1 to win it was blown coverage. Yes, breaks are part of the game, but Manuel tried to give that game away as well, the Panthers just wouldn't take it.

Finally, what makes the pick even worse is the fact that they could have taken Jarvis Jones, who Pittsburgh took right after, in the first round, and still most likely would have had their shot at Manuel.

I think he's saying that the receivers will look worse than they really are because of the quarterback. I tend to agree.
- buffalofan19

Not sure I agree with the notion. Unless the view is, "well, all the receivers have sub par numbers, even though some of them have a quality completion/drop ratio."

Of course, using the phrase "look worse" is subjective to those who aren't willing to take 5 minutes to look at the numbers. One can easily determine how a WR is performing when you take completions/drop ratio in conjunction with total attempts. If EJ is that awful, completion/drops will be separated from total attempts by a wide margin.

All in all I hope Scott Chandler doesn't lead the team in receiving yards. Holy crap that's sad.

I think he's saying that the receivers will look worse than they really are because of the quarterback. I tend to agree. I never liked the pick when they made it after watching him at Florida State, and the reasons for that were magnified this year.

Everyone likes to point to that Carolina game as the "see, he can do it" moment, but they tend to forget that the Panthers played some of the dumbest football known to man on that drive. Basically all the passes down field were screen passes because Ron Rivera played a deep prevent. The game should have been over after Luke Kuechly tackled Stevie Johnson despite the fact that the ball was thrown by Manuel well out of Johson's reach anyway. And then the 4th and 1 to win it was blown coverage. Yes, breaks are part of the game, but Manuel tried to give that game away as well, the Panthers just wouldn't take it.

Finally, what makes the pick even worse is the fact that they could have taken Jarvis Jones, who Pittsburgh took right after, in the first round, and still most likely would have had their shot at Manuel.
- buffalofan19

Yes because only the Bills get breaks on last minute drives.

Have you not watched the Patriots for the last decade?

I honestly am amazed the revisionist history people remember (or forget) already on EJ Manuel. Nothing positive, all negative. Unreal

I think he's saying that the receivers will look worse than they really are because of the quarterback. I tend to agree. I never liked the pick when they made it after watching him at Florida State, and the reasons for that were magnified this year.

Everyone likes to point to that Carolina game as the "see, he can do it" moment, but they tend to forget that the Panthers played some of the dumbest football known to man on that drive. Basically all the passes down field were screen passes because Ron Rivera played a deep prevent. The game should have been over after Luke Kuechly tackled Stevie Johnson despite the fact that the ball was thrown by Manuel well out of Johson's reach anyway. And then the 4th and 1 to win it was blown coverage. Yes, breaks are part of the game, but Manuel tried to give that game away as well, the Panthers just wouldn't take it.

Finally, what makes the pick even worse is the fact that they could have taken Jarvis Jones, who Pittsburgh took right after, in the first round, and still most likely would have had their shot at Manuel.
- buffalofan19

How about against the Falcons where he lead us down the field twice to win the game but we lost because of two fumbles? No one seems to remember that game

Yes because only the Bills get breaks on last minute drives.

Have you not watched the Patriots for the last decade?

I honestly am amazed the revisionist history people remember (or forget) already on EJ Manuel. Nothing positive, all negative. Unreal
- sbroads24

The difference, though, is that the Patriots still made plays down the field. Manuel didn't lead that drive down field. Fred Jackson did. He had something like 3 straight catches (may have been 3 out of 4) from dump offs behind the line of scrimmage for 10 yards or more, the same kind of dump offs that fans (rightfully) used to bag on Trent Edwards for in those situations. That drive did nothing to show me that his shortcomings, namely his accuracy and inability to hit a receiver in stride on anything other than a fade route to Marquise Goodwin, who is essentially impossible to overthrow. All of his down field attempts were missed in that drive, including that pass interference by Kuechly which wouldn't have been caught anyway.

How about against the Falcons where he lead us down the field twice to win the game but we lost because of two fumbles? No one seems to remember that game
- sbroads24

I remember him being subpar for the entire game before that as well.

Look, I'd love to be wrong. I just don't see it. I never liked the pick when it was made, and the reasons have manifested themselves, even in just 10 games.

I remember him being subpar for the entire game before that as well.

Look, I'd love to be wrong. I just don't see it. I never liked the pick when it was made, and the reasons have manifested themselves, even in just 10 games.
- buffalofan19

Of course that's what you remember. It's what you want to remember because you didn't like the pick

The only thing the numbers indicate is that he was a rookie. Nothing more nothing less.

The difference, though, is that the Patriots still made plays down the field. Manuel didn't lead that drive down field. Fred Jackson did. He had something like 3 straight catches (may have been 3 out of 4) behind the line of scrimmage for 10 yards or more. That drive did nothing to show me that his shortcomings, namely his accuracy and inability to hit a receiver in stride on anything other than a fade route to Marquise Goodwin, who is essentially impossible to overthrow. All of his down field attempts were missed in that drive, including that pass interference by Kuechly which wouldn't have been caught anyway.
- buffalofan19

You can minimize it until you are blue in the face. I can sit here and dissect reasons why many QB's are successful for reasons other than themselves but it would be pointless

You can minimize it until you are blue in the face. I can sit here and dissect reasons why many QB's are successful for reasons other than themselves but it would be pointless
- sbroads24

EJ's fate is his own. No one can really say for sure how bad or good EJ will be.

That being said I am already tired of hearing that: EJ had another bad practice or that EJ struggled against the first team defense or that EJ still has to find chemistry with his receivers.

He has yet to have a good practice. How can you have a good game if you can't have at least one good practice.

It's troubling that is all. it might click for him, but there isn't any indication that it will soon. I think that is what people are upset about. No indication of being good.

EJ's fate is his own. No one can really say for sure how bad or good EJ will be.

That being said I am already tired of hearing that: EJ had another bad practice or that EJ struggled against the first team defense or that EJ still has to find chemistry with his receivers.

He has yet to have a good practice. How can you have a good game if you can't have at least one good practice.

It's troubling that is all.
- RynoBull

And this is really my point. I have no clue whether he is a bust or not and no one else does either. People want to focus solely on the negative, they have already forgotten the positives he displayed.

It would be a different story if he had thrown 20 INT"s or had lost 9 of 10 games

Fact is he was a rookie that had more TD's than picks and had a 4-6 record

And this is really my point. I have no clue whether he is a bust or not and no one else does either. People want to focus solely on the negative, they have already forgotten the positives he displayed.

It would be a different story if he had thrown 20 INT"s or had lost 9 of 10 games

Fact is he was a rookie that had more TD's than picks and had a 4-6 record
- sbroads24

...and was hurt 3 times and never 'took over a game' and had accuracy and decision making issues. Again could be because he was a rookie or could be something much more dark and sinister.

And this is really my point. I have no clue whether he is a bust or not and no one else does either. People want to focus solely on the negative, they have already forgotten the positives he displayed.

It would be a different story if he had thrown 20 INT"s or had lost 9 of 10 games

Fact is he was a rookie that had more TD's than picks and had a 4-6 record
- sbroads24

His negatives outweighed his positives, to me, by a mile. The indicator to me was the fact that this team didn't look much worse with Thad Lewis, another guy with virtually no experience. There are quarterbacks, who in college "got away" with things with their flaws, namely because of facing sub-par compeition. The problem is that, Manuel's flaws caused even Florida State to underachieve, in a year where the ACC was below average. One needs only to watch the NC State game in 2012 to see what I'm talking about.

Good thing we have all the experts here that know better than the whole Bills organization after only 10 games. I for one am glad such experts grace us with their daily doses of negativity .

The kid played 10 games ! and you have totally mapped his destiny ? The amazing Kreskin could learn a thing or two here.

...and was hurt 3 times and never 'took over a game' and had accuracy and decision making issues. Again could be because he was a rookie or could be something much more dark and sinister.
- RynoBull

Key word is could. Most people already are claiming that EJ sucks and that is already the absolute truth.

Joe Flacco doesn't ever "take over games" neither does someone like Russell Wilson


That doesn't mean I think EJ is as good as those guys yet but after 10 games not many QB's are. I think the only thing we can definitively say is that Manuel is no Luck or Manning.

You can minimize it until you are blue in the face. I can sit here and dissect reasons why many QB's are successful for reasons other than themselves but it would be pointless
- sbroads24

The Panther game is a point of contention because that game was dubbed his coming out party, but really he didn't do anything special to earn that. He was gifted so many opportunities including having his heroic game ending interception negated by a ghost pass interference call.

Good thing we have all the experts here that know better than the whole Bills organization after only 10 games. I for one am glad such experts grace us with their daily doses of negativity .

The kid played 10 games ! and you have totally mapped his destiny ? The amazing Kreskin could learn a thing or two here.


- Maximum Signal

Easy odds to play over the last 15+ years that a Bills QB is gonna suck.

Key word is could. Most people already are claiming that EJ sucks and that is already the absolute truth.

Joe Flacco doesn't ever "take over games" neither does someone like Russell Wilson


That doesn't mean I think EJ is as good as those guys yet but after 10 games not many QB's are. I think the only thing we can definitively say is that Manuel is no Luck or Manning.
- sbroads24

We are on the same page about EJ. Give him this year to make a proper assessment.

Good thing we have all the experts here that know better than the whole Bills organization after only 10 games. I for one am glad such experts grace us with their daily doses of negativity .

The kid played 10 games ! and you have totally mapped his destiny ? The amazing Kreskin could learn a thing or two here.


- Maximum Signal

The same Bills organization that has been an embarrassment for 15 years? Setting the bar 6 inches off the ground, now are we?

Key word is could. Most people already are claiming that EJ sucks and that is already the absolute truth.

Joe Flacco doesn't ever "take over games" neither does someone like Russell Wilson


That doesn't mean I think EJ is as good as those guys yet but after 10 games not many QB's are. I think the only thing we can definitively say is that Manuel is no Luck or Manning.
- sbroads24

Flacco has played in 96 games, I imagine there's gotta be at least 1 where he has.

Good thing we have all the experts here that know better than the whole Bills organization after only 10 games. I for one am glad such experts grace us with their daily doses of negativity .

The kid played 10 games ! and you have totally mapped his destiny ? The amazing Kreskin could learn a thing or two here.


- Maximum Signal

To be Fair, the Bills organization is pretty terrible.

To be Fair, the Bills organization is pretty terrible.
- RynoBull

No, no, no...you need to be an "expert" to know this. Just like you need to be a mechanic to know that putting milk in your gas tank is a bad idea.

Flacco has played in 96 games, I imagine there's gotta be at least 1 where he has.
- stashu

Super bowl MVP?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/pl...altimore-ravens-named-mvp

Just sayin'

No, no, no...you need to be an "expert" to know this. Just like you need to be a mechanic to know that putting milk in your gas tank is a bad idea.
- buffalofan19

Are you saying that the 2014 Bills with EJ at the helm is like a porshe with bicycle tires on it?

Super bowl MVP?
http://espn.go.com/nfl/pl...altimore-ravens-named-mvp

Just sayin'
- RynoBull

Quick look I see 2 games in 2012 that I would imagine, from looking at stat lines and that the Ravens made a comeback to win, I can guess that he took over just a bit.

It was interesting to see that last year when he threw for over 300 yards that the team lost every time (3 times)

Are you saying that the 2014 Bills with EJ at the helm is like a porshe with bicycle tires on it?
- RynoBull

Let's go with Mustang...which can be nice if you build it correctly.