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hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 5 @ 9:39 AM ET
Preferably during the first preseason game.
- MBFlyerfan


hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Aug 5 @ 9:39 AM ET
I just threw up in my mouth.
- KGBflyers10


no, no...coatsey night is a good thing.
five4fighting10
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Cherry Hill, NJ
Joined: 02.22.2008

Aug 5 @ 10:01 AM ET
I've gotten to meet Lou countless times where I work and let me say, he and his wife are great people. Extremely courteous and friendly, always willing to talk a little hockey. I would love to see him get a banner sooner rather than later
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Aug 5 @ 10:11 AM ET
Lou Nolan pwns.

Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Aug 5 @ 10:12 AM ET
no, no...coatsey night is a good thing.
- hammarby31

Isn't that just a euphemism for 'night of drinking + hot dogs'?
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Aug 5 @ 10:39 AM ET
No I guess not.

But if its known he isn't going anywhere, I don't see the problem. Let him get some accolades while he is still around. 40 years is enough I think.

I guess I was surprised that people think so negatively sometimes. But its Philly, negative is their middle name.

- MBFlyerfan


The only way Springsteen got his banner up there was to retire and/or die.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 5 @ 10:48 AM ET
The only way Springsteen got his banner up there was to retire and/or die.
- jmatchett383

I wish.

(about the retire part, I'm not really the "wish death on people" type)
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Aug 5 @ 10:50 AM ET
I'm bummed the Pens got Kapanen. It sure seems like he's going to be a very good player in the league.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Aug 5 @ 11:04 AM ET
I'm bummed the Pens got Kapanen. It sure seems like he's going to be a very good player in the league.
- wolfhounds

If he turns out better then Sanheim which poster is most likely to jump off a bridge first? Lead the pitch fork parade against Hexy?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 5 @ 11:06 AM ET
If he turns out better then Sanheim which poster is most likely to jump off a bridge first? Lead the pitch fork parade against Hexy?
- coffee junkie


PLind or 2Real?

Ahh who am I kidding, they have built a deck and diving board on the Walt Whitman.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 5 @ 11:09 AM ET
I'm bummed the Pens got Kapanen. It sure seems like he's going to be a very good player in the league.
- wolfhounds


Kapanen could be another Maatta... or could be another Angelo Esposito...
Streit2ThePoint
Seattle Kraken
Location: it's disgusting how good you are at hockeybuzz.
Joined: 09.20.2013

Aug 5 @ 11:11 AM ET
I'm bummed the Pens got Kapanen. It sure seems like he's going to be a very good player in the league.
- wolfhounds


I knew they should have picked him first. Sanheim's a bust.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Aug 5 @ 11:12 AM ET
I'm sad Kapanen had a poor enough season to drop all they down to them.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 5 @ 11:13 AM ET
As promised yesterday, the top 10 best and worst skaters in Flyers history!!

First the best!

1. Mark Howe
Effortless, just frankin effortless. Howe was just an awesome skater both backwards and forwards. Fast as heck and could turn on a dime, he was one of the best skaters I ever saw.

2. Paul Coffey
Wasn't here long, and had probably lost a step from his prime, but even so, he was still a fantastic skater. Coffey, in his prime, was one the top 10 skaters in NHL history and he still could fly when he got to Philly. Now if he only hadn't gotten run over by Lindros....

3. Eric Lindros
Speaking of Lindros, was there ever a more impressive combo of speed and strength on skates in Flyers history? NO! Lindros was a fantastic skater who could blow through or around opposing dmen with ease.

4. Rick Macleish
Next to Orr and Yvon Cournoyer, he was IMO the best skater of his era. Fast and smooth, he was as graceful as they come.

5. Jake Voracek
Big Jake can fly and he is extremely powerful on his skates. When his game is on, he skates as well as anyone in the league.

6. Ken Linseman
The Rat could fly! Good thing he was fast, cause with all the cheap shots he threw, he needed to be fast just to stay alive. Of course, having Paul Holmgren on his wing helped tremendously as well when it came to his health.

7. Pelle Eklund
The little Swede was a very fast and very smooth skater and he could skate just as fast with the puck as he could without it.

8. Behn Wilson
People remember big Behn for his fights, but they sometimes forget his superb skating and skills. Wilson had all the tools, but just lacked the mental discipline to put it all together. His skating though, was a thing of beauty.

9. Braydon Coburn
Yeah, I know a lot of you can't stand him, but facts are facts and Coburn is one of the best skating big men in the NHL.

10. Matt Read
The man can fly! Read has great speed and quickness and knows how to use his fine skating both offensively and defensively.

Just missed the cut:
Tom Gorence
Jeff Carter
Brad Jones (yeah he sucked, but he could fly)

Now onto the worst, hard to really rank them so here are just 10 of the crappiest skaters in Flyers history

Rick Foley
The often overweight and out of shape Foley used to drive Fred Shero nuts. He was one of the slowest skaters in his era and that is saying a lot!

Frank Bathe
The Bather was all heart, which was a good thing cause he couldn't skate to save his life!

Brad Marsh
You could time him with a sundial, no really, he was that slow.

Dan Kordic
Another in a long line of tough guys that couldn't skate worth a damn.

Al Secord
Wasn't here long, thankfully, Al was as speedy as a legless turtle.

Kjell Samuelsson
Graceful was a word that was never used to describe the big Swede. His huge wingspan and the fact that refs rarely called holding and interference in his era saved him!

Derian Hatcher
Actually was an ok skater in his prime, but his knees were just shot once he got to Philly.

Jason Smith
The Gator was all heart and hard work, however his skating was just ugly.

Mike Rathje
Yet another big huge dman that couldn't skate, Clarke just loved those guys.

Nick Grossmann
The big guy is fearless and tough as boiled leather, but he will never be confused with Bobby Orr.

Whew, I'm beat!




ThirdEye
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ardmore, PA
Joined: 01.04.2013

Aug 5 @ 11:17 AM ET
I grew up imitating Lou's penalty calls when we used to play street hockey as a kid. I got to help both him and his wife several times when I used to work at the Apple Store. He could not have been nicer or more gracious.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Aug 5 @ 11:21 AM ET
As promised yesterday, the top 10 best and worst skaters in Flyers history!!

First the best!

1. Mark Howe
Effortless, just frankin effortless. Howe was just an awesome skater both backwards and forwards. Fast as heck and could turn on a dime, he was one of the best skaters I ever saw.

2. Paul Coffey
Wasn't here long, and had probably lost a step from his prime, but even so, he was still a fantastic skater. Coffey, in his prime, was one the top 10 skaters in NHL history and he still could fly when he got to Philly. Now if he only hadn't gotten run over by Lindros....

3. Eric Lindros
Speaking of Lindros, was there ever a more impressive combo of speed and strength on skates in Flyers history? NO! Lindros was a fantastic skater who could blow through or around opposing dmen with ease.

4. Rick Macleish
Next to Orr and Yvon Cournoyer, he was IMO the best skater of his era. Fast and smooth, he was as graceful as they come.

5. Jake Voracek
Big Jake can fly and he is extremely powerful on his skates. When his game is on, he skates as well as anyone in the league.

6. Ken Linseman
The Rat could fly! Good thing he was fast, cause with all the cheap shots he threw, he needed to be fast just to stay alive. Of course, having Paul Holmgren on his wing helped tremendously as well when it came to his health.

7. Pelle Eklund
The little Swede was a very fast and very smooth skater and he could skate just as fast with the puck as he could without it.

8. Behn Wilson
People remember big Behn for his fights, but they sometimes forget his superb skating and skills. Wilson had all the tools, but just lacked the mental discipline to put it all together. His skating though, was a thing of beauty.

9. Braydon Coburn
Yeah, I know a lot of you can't stand him, but facts are facts and Coburn is one of the best skating big men in the NHL.

10. Matt Read
The man can fly! Read has great speed and quickness and knows how to use his fine skating both offensively and defensively.

Just missed the cut:
Tom Gorence
Jeff Carter
Brad Jones (yeah he sucked, but he could fly)

Now onto the worst, hard to really rank them so here are just 10 of the crappiest skaters in Flyers history

Rick Foley
The often overweight and out of shape Foley used to drive Fred Shero nuts. He was one of the slowest skaters in his era and that is saying a lot!

Frank Bathe
The Bather was all heart, which was a good thing cause he couldn't skate to save his life!

Brad Marsh
You could time him with a sundial, no really, he was that slow.

Dan Kordic
Another in a long line of tough guys that couldn't skate worth a damn.

Al Secord
Wasn't here long, thankfully, Al was as speedy as a legless turtle.

Kjell Samuelsson
Graceful was a word that was never used to describe the big Swede. His huge wingspan and the fact that refs rarely called holding and interference in his era saved him!

Derian Hatcher
Actually was an ok skater in his prime, but his knees were just shot once he got to Philly.

Jason Smith
The Gator was all heart and hard work, however his skating was just ugly.

Mike Rathje
Yet another big huge dman that couldn't skate, Clarke just loved those guys.

Nick Grossmann
The big guy is fearless and tough as boiled leather, but he will never be confused with Bobby Orr.

Whew, I'm beat!

- BiggE


Where does L Schenn fall? Do others agree that Grossman is really that poor at skating?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Aug 5 @ 11:25 AM ET
As promised yesterday, the top 10 best and worst skaters in Flyers history!!

First the best!

1. Mark Howe
Effortless, just frankin effortless. Howe was just an awesome skater both backwards and forwards. Fast as heck and could turn on a dime, he was one of the best skaters I ever saw.

2. Paul Coffey
Wasn't here long, and had probably lost a step from his prime, but even so, he was still a fantastic skater. Coffey, in his prime, was one the top 10 skaters in NHL history and he still could fly when he got to Philly. Now if he only hadn't gotten run over by Lindros....

3. Eric Lindros
Speaking of Lindros, was there ever a more impressive combo of speed and strength on skates in Flyers history? NO! Lindros was a fantastic skater who could blow through or around opposing dmen with ease.

4. Rick Macleish
Next to Orr and Yvon Cournoyer, he was IMO the best skater of his era. Fast and smooth, he was as graceful as they come.

5. Jake Voracek
Big Jake can fly and he is extremely powerful on his skates. When his game is on, he skates as well as anyone in the league.

6. Ken Linseman
The Rat could fly! Good thing he was fast, cause with all the cheap shots he threw, he needed to be fast just to stay alive. Of course, having Paul Holmgren on his wing helped tremendously as well when it came to his health.

7. Pelle Eklund
The little Swede was a very fast and very smooth skater and he could skate just as fast with the puck as he could without it.

8. Behn Wilson
People remember big Behn for his fights, but they sometimes forget his superb skating and skills. Wilson had all the tools, but just lacked the mental discipline to put it all together. His skating though, was a thing of beauty.

9. Braydon Coburn
Yeah, I know a lot of you can't stand him, but facts are facts and Coburn is one of the best skating big men in the NHL.

10. Matt Read
The man can fly! Read has great speed and quickness and knows how to use his fine skating both offensively and defensively.

Just missed the cut:
Tom Gorence
Jeff Carter
Brad Jones (yeah he sucked, but he could fly)

Now onto the worst, hard to really rank them so here are just 10 of the crappiest skaters in Flyers history

Rick Foley
The often overweight and out of shape Foley used to drive Fred Shero nuts. He was one of the slowest skaters in his era and that is saying a lot!

Frank Bathe
The Bather was all heart, which was a good thing cause he couldn't skate to save his life!

Brad Marsh
You could time him with a sundial, no really, he was that slow.

Dan Kordic
Another in a long line of tough guys that couldn't skate worth a damn.

Al Secord
Wasn't here long, thankfully, Al was as speedy as a legless turtle.

Kjell Samuelsson
Graceful was a word that was never used to describe the big Swede. His huge wingspan and the fact that refs rarely called holding and interference in his era saved him!

Derian Hatcher
Actually was an ok skater in his prime, but his knees were just shot once he got to Philly.

Jason Smith
The Gator was all heart and hard work, however his skating was just ugly.

Mike Rathje
Yet another big huge dman that couldn't skate, Clarke just loved those guys.

Nick Grossmann
The big guy is fearless and tough as boiled leather, but he will never be confused with Bobby Orr.

Whew, I'm beat!

- BiggE


If skating is the only criteria, I think Daigle should be included. Kevin Haller could fly. So could Shawn Antoski. On the slowest list, Van Impe and Dupont were prety slow. Dave Babych was done (and playing on a bad foot). Kurtis Foster was slower than several on list. So was what was left of Pavel Kubina. Pavel Brendl was out of shape and slow
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 5 @ 11:26 AM ET
Where does L Schenn fall? Do others agree that Grossman is really that poor at skating?
- coffee junkie



Luke Schenn is a better skater than he gets credit. He isn't fast for sure, but pure speed is really not an end all be all of what is considered good or even great skating.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 5 @ 11:30 AM ET
Where does L Schenn fall? Do others agree that Grossman is really that poor at skating?
- coffee junkie


Yeah, Grossmann is a poor skater, I'm sure the knee injuries have something to do with it, though. Schenn is able to build up speed, but lacks agility
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 5 @ 11:32 AM ET
If skating is the only criteria, I think Daigle should be included. Kevin Haller could fly. So could Shawn Antoski. On the slowest list, Van Impe and Dupont were prety slow. Dave Babych was done (and playing on a bad foot). Kurtis Foster was slower than several on list. So was what was left of Pavel Kubina. Pavel Brendl was out of shape and slow
- bmeltzer


Geez Bill, I can't remember everybody, I drink a lot of scotch!!


However, yeah, as much as I couldn't stand him, Daigle should be on the list, and maybe Haller. Antoski could skate very well, but I don't think he was better than any of the 10 on my list.

Van Impe and Dupont, while slow, weren't really that bad for their era and both could fly compared to Foley. Of course Babych, Foster and Kubina were horrible skaters, but they were here for such a short time that I've tried very hard to forget them. Brendl, thankfully, I have forgotten!
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Aug 5 @ 11:33 AM ET
Where does L Schenn fall? Do others agree that Grossman is really that poor at skating?
- coffee junkie


I think Luke is a little better a skater than Grossmann.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 5 @ 11:37 AM ET
If he turns out better then Sanheim which poster is most likely to jump off a bridge first? Lead the pitch fork parade against Hexy?
- coffee junkie

Bo
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Aug 5 @ 11:41 AM ET
At the same time, you don't want to appear as if you're pushing the guy out the door....which was my point.
- johndewar

they can push him or just let Homer take him for a bike ride
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Aug 5 @ 11:42 AM ET
I think Luke is a little better a skater than Grossmann.
- BiggE

not saying much Big E
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 5 @ 11:43 AM ET
I think Luke is a little better a skater than Grossmann.
- BiggE


Definitely. Schenn's N-S speed is OK... it's his footwork, acceleration and slow change of direction that make him look like a sloth out there. And he always seems to be one mental step behind the play.


Unrelated edit: did Umberger and Pedobear get their # assignments yet?
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