You can't judge it that way. It isn't the same CBA.
- Ryan_Wilson

He's still not worth 9 mil per year, that's for sure. This actually makes letang's salary easier to digest

Edit: looking at the canadiens depth on D, it's very underwhelming. Markov is on his decline and their 2nd/3rd pairing don't look competent enough to do much unless it's against another teams 3rd line

He's still not worth 9 mil per year, that's for sure. This actually makes letang's salary easier to digest
- drummer829

You're right, he's probably worth 10M per year.

Ill take Letang at 7.2 vs Subban at 9. Just not worth it IMO.

Letang - .54 ppg. 422 gp, 261 PIMs
Subban - .58 ppg. 284 gp, 383 PIMs

Not enough for a 1.75 mil difference IMO. Both players have shown they are Norris caliber defensemen, and subban only averaged 40 seconds of PK time per game. Letang had about 2 mins per game. Not saying subban is a bad player, but he doesn't bring to the table what other Dmen do.

Cap wise he is but Crosby's first 8 years of his deal will be paying him 86.4M compared to Subban's 72M
- Ryan_Wilson

yeah its trend setting for the new cap.... but i feel he is almost as imprtant if not as important as toews/kane to his respective team and he got less. 9 mil should make every pens fan feel beter about tanger

Letang - .54 ppg. 422 gp, 261 PIMs
Subban - .58 ppg. 284 gp, 383 PIMs

Not enough for a 1.75 mil difference IMO. Both players have shown they are Norris caliber defensemen, and subban only averaged 40 seconds of PK time per game. Letang had about 2 mins per game. Not saying subban is a bad player, but he doesn't bring to the table what other Dmen do.
- drummer829

I didnt have an issue with Tanger's contract from the day he signed it. I thought it was fair value and we were lucky to lock him up. If he could just stay healthy, and stay away from partners like Scuderi...

Any chance the NHL will release what the arbitration committee would have decided Subban's pay would be if it went to them?

I think even the NHL has to know that EVERYONE is dieing to know how one of these hearings would have went.

Letang - .54 ppg. 422 gp, 261 PIMs
Subban - .58 ppg. 284 gp, 383 PIMs

Not enough for a 1.75 mil difference IMO. Both players have shown they are Norris caliber defensemen, and subban only averaged 40 seconds of PK time per game. Letang had about 2 mins per game. Not saying subban is a bad player, but he doesn't bring to the table what other Dmen do.
- drummer829

Subban > Letang.... and that is in no way saying Letang is bad. Its like saying Crosby > Malking.

Two very top quality players in their position who are above most anyone else in the league.

Subban > Letang.... and that is in no way saying Letang is bad. Its like saying Crosby > Malking.

Two very top quality players in their position who are above most anyone else in the league.
- Guile

I agree, but I don't think PK is worth 9/yr. The cap will go up, but as shown so will salaries and the increase in cap will not be as helpful. When is the next lockout?

There are still at least 5 dmen I take over PK not including the cap.

I agree, but I don't think PK is worth 9/yr. The cap will go up, but as shown so will salaries and the increase in cap will not be as helpful. When is the next lockout?

There are still at least 5 dmen I take over PK not including the cap.
- sammy87

Its a bit based on what the cap is expected to rise up to, yes. But it was either pay up, get the arbitration decision, or lose him.

I think the cap is going to increase 10 mil the next 3 years, which will make his deal easier to swallow.

Its a bit based on what the cap is expected to rise up to, yes. But it was either pay up, get the arbitration decision, or lose him.

I think the cap is going to increase 10 mil the next 3 years, which will make his deal easier to swallow.
- Guile

10 mil would be pretty steep! I mean the floor is now higher than what the original cap was after the last lockout. If it goes up another 10 in 3 yrs, the small market teams will just keep struggling.

10 mil would be pretty steep! I mean the floor is now higher than what the original cap was after the last lockout. If it goes up another 10 in 3 yrs, the small market teams will just keep struggling.
- sammy87

Well, I am just basing it off of the increase this year. $64.3 million to $70.2 million (if google is right since my memory isn't exact on this).

I don't think its gonna keep up increases that high, but at just over half that increase... 10 million over 3 years is not unreasonable.

I hope Malkin has 3 fighting majors this year and 42 goals. However when he doesn't score for 10 games, and looks like a lazy Russian I will call him that.

Subban > Letang.... and that is in no way saying Letang is bad. Its like saying Crosby > Malking.

Two very top quality players in their position who are above most anyone else in the league.
- Guile

I really don't think subban is better than letang. Similar speed, strength, and shot. I think letang just made bad decisions in a system that made the defense vulnerable. I think the new staff will help make letang more stable in his own zone and reduce his mistakes leading to a top 5 point leader for Dmen this year and a potential Norris nomination

Subban > Letang.... and that is in no way saying Letang is bad. Its like saying Crosby > Malking.

Two very top quality players in their position who are above most anyone else in the league.
- Guile

I'd rather have Letang over Subban. Easy to kick a dog when he's down. I think they are pretty even. Sure Subban had a better year but to me both are good.

Edit: I think they would be outstanding playing on the same pairing.

I hope Malkin has 3 fighting majors this year and 42 goals. However when he doesn't score for 10 games, and looks like a lazy Russian I will call him that.
- Grinder47

You have to call him that, it's only right

The age you start feeling a little bit tired when playing sports lol at least I did

The average age here on this board is probably around 33-34....I'm on this boat.
- Barnaby36

41. Got on the "bandwagon" during Mario's rookie year.

I really don't think subban is better than letang. Similar speed, strength, and shot. I think letang just made bad decisions in a system that made the defense vulnerable. I think the new staff will help make letang more stable in his own zone and reduce his mistakes leading to a top 5 point leader for Dmen this year and a potential Norris nomination
- drummer829

If you would rather... I could say

Subban the last 3 years > Letang's last 3. Or something to that extent.

I don't like doing a potential of a player vs the actual of another comparison. Unless its a rookie vs an aging veteran type of deal where that comparison is the only thing available.

Amazing play

That's my favorite one, vs Roloson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IpdcG8a5Qk

Mario against the North Stars:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEdgiPEDa8w

Shades of Mario for sure.
- Barnaby36

Those are both awesome! Love coast to coast goals!

41. Got on the "bandwagon" during Mario's rookie year.
- acdc1206

Woah....you just pushed way up the age average here lol

I wasn't too Lucky to get Mario's best days...+ Internet was not that Big before 97, 98

If you would rather... I could say

Subban the last 3 years > Letang's last 3. Or something to that extent.

I don't like doing a potential of a player vs the actual of another comparison. Unless its a rookie vs an aging veteran type of deal where that comparison is the only thing available.
- Guile

I don't know about that. Letang was a point per game player during the shortened season and they have had very similar stats for the last 3 years. If letang wasn't injured last year or had that stroke, they would be identical numbers.

Woah....you just pushed way up the age average here lol

I wasn't too Lucky to get Mario's best days...+ Internet was not that Big before 97, 98
- Barnaby36

I can push it even further...54

When all is said and done Letang will be remembered as the better hockey player. Of that I am sure.

I can push it even further...54
- errey12

Nice Mr.Errey! have you been to Lemieux's games much? You come from the good days.

Woah....you just pushed way up the age average here lol

I wasn't too Lucky to get Mario's best days...+ Internet was not that Big before 97, 98
- Barnaby36

At least you were there for them. I was born in '93, the year after the Mario era Pens won their second cup....... and the last time Notre Dame won a major bowl game......