Interesting...
- mhp

he's (frank)ing hot

Why doesn't a Norris in a half season not count? Did he have some type of advantage over others?
- Yeti1181

I say because it is easier to maintain high level of play over short season. If you struggle at all during the season. Take Giroux for instance, his injury had him start the 1st 15 games quite slowly. Had this been a shortened season do you think he still gets Hart trophy consideration? Not likely. Look at Bobrovski, he won the Vezina off 38 games. It is a lot easier to maintain good stats over 38 games than it is for 60+

You have to look at what players are being paid now though.

If Weber was signing a contract right now, how much? 11.

If Keith was signing right now? 9-10

if Doughty was signing right now? 11-12


Subban at 8-8.5 when that's considered seems pretty on point to me.
- ehabs9

The differences between Subban and Keith/Doughty is that they would deserve that amount of money.
If this was UFA big difference but He is an RFA who hasn't done much, like I said before, and demanding this amount of money.

At this point in subbans career he just is not worth 8+ right now. Which obviously MTL doesn't think so either. I'm for MTL in not giving him what he wants.

I say because it is easier to maintain high level of play over short season. If you struggle at all during the season. Take Giroux for instance, his injury had him start the 1st 15 games quite slowly. Had this been a shortened season do you think he still gets Hart trophy consideration? Not likely. Look at Bobrovski, he won the Vezina off 38 games. It is a lot easier to maintain good stats over 38 games than it is for 60+
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Exactly.

ALL the trophies are flawed in a 1/2 season due to the fact it's not as harsh of a season and if one team or player is hot it's hard to catch up in a short season. It's easier to catchup in a full season for sure due to many other variables.

I say because it is easier to maintain high level of play over short season. If you struggle at all during the season. Take Giroux for instance, his injury had him start the 1st 15 games quite slowly. Had this been a shortened season do you think he still gets Hart trophy consideration? Not likely. Look at Bobrovski, he won the Vezina off 38 games. It is a lot easier to maintain good stats over 38 games than it is for 60+
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Right but everyone else was in the same boat. They all had it just as "easy" and didn't manage to win.

The differences between Subban and Keith/Doughty is that they would deserve that amount of money.
If this was UFA big difference but He is an RFA who hasn't done much, like I said before, and demanding this amount of money.

At this point in subbans career he just is not worth 8+ right now. Which obviously MTL doesn't think so either. I'm for MTL in not giving him what he wants.
- Shenanigans20

What hasn't he done? He's played close to 300 games, and proven over that span that he's an elite level D-man. Even if you want to discredit his Norris, what he's done play wise is sufficient enough.

You want him to play out his entire career to prove that it was a good one, and then you'll pay him at the end of it? I don't get your logic.

I say because it is easier to maintain high level of play over short season. If you struggle at all during the season. Take Giroux for instance, his injury had him start the 1st 15 games quite slowly. Had this been a shortened season do you think he still gets Hart trophy consideration? Not likely. Look at Bobrovski, he won the Vezina off 38 games. It is a lot easier to maintain good stats over 38 games than it is for 60+
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Yes but that goes for every other player as well, its a completely level playing field.

he's (frank)ing hot
- Flyfreaky

PK in Toronto would be insane.

The Toronto media would be all PK, all the time.

The guy would have his own TV channel.
- Atomic Wedgie

already has his own little show on Sportsnet

What hasn't he done? He's played close to 300 games, and proven over that span that he's an elite level D-man. Even if you want to discredit his Norris, what he's done play wise is sufficient enough.

You want him to play out his entire career to prove that it was a good one, and then you'll pay him at the end of it? I don't get your logic.
- ehabs9

Getzlaf, Perry, Toews, Kane...elite players that all signed bridge contracts and eventually earned their 8+ after winning cups and proven that they're worth top dollar after years of consistancy.

MEH............. The Norris is a joke award, so it really doesn't hold that much weight.

I mean it doesn't take into account the main attribute of the award, which is DEFENSE.

What hasn't he done? He's played close to 300 games, and proven over that span that he's an elite level D-man. Even if you want to discredit his Norris, what he's done play wise is sufficient enough.

You want him to play out his entire career to prove that it was a good one, and then you'll pay him at the end of it? I don't get your logic.
- ehabs9

Maybe he needs to finish at/near the top of his team in scoring in both the playoffs and regular season for 2 years running to prove himself ... wait a second ...

Like you said, he's proved it. He deserves a big payday by nhl standards.

Getzlaf, Perry, Toews, Kane...elite players that all signed bridge contracts and eventually earned their 8+ after winning cups and proven that they're worth top dollar after years of consistancy.
- sudburyboy

5 year deals don't really fit in the definition of 'bridge deals'.

That ship has sailed for Subban.

MEH............. The Norris is a joke award, so it really doesn't hold that much weight.

I mean it doesn't take into account the main attribute of the award, which is DEFENSE.




- classic321

They really should break it down to 2 awards: the Bobby Orr award for offensive dmen

And the Chris Pronger award for the nastiest shutdown Dmen

Getzlaf, Perry, Toews, Kane...elite players that all signed bridge contracts and eventually earned their 8+ after winning cups and proven that they're worth top dollar after years of consistancy.
- sudburyboy

In what universe is a 5 year 32 million dollar contract considered a "bridge contract"???

The differences between Subban and Keith/Doughty is that they would deserve that amount of money.
If this was UFA big difference but He is an RFA who hasn't done much, like I said before, and demanding this amount of money.

At this point in subbans career he just is not worth 8+ right now. Which obviously MTL doesn't think so either. I'm for MTL in not giving him what he wants.
- Shenanigans20

He's won a freaking Norris! Keith/Doughty had not done that. Doughty was very overpaid at the time. He had not done much at all.

He's won a freaking Norris! Keith/Doughty had not done that. Doughty was very overpaid at the time. He had not done much at all.
- RogerRoeper

*half a freaking Norris

It's not a full season that's why.

Until he proves himself in a real 82 game season to win the Norris then fine he is the best dman, but I can't see him winning it in an 82 game season. Why? Because there are better dmen than him. Weber, doughty, Keith, pietrangelo...they are all better than Subban.

Point is he isn't better than the aforementioned dmen, therefore not worth 8million.

IMO
- Shenanigans20

Yeah, but, those guys were not better than him in the shortened season...otherwise one of them would have won it,no?

Getzlaf, Perry, Toews, Kane...elite players that all signed bridge contracts and eventually earned their 8+ after winning cups and proven that they're worth top dollar after years of consistancy.
- sudburyboy

Which PK already did and proved himself. This is the Habs doing. They wanted that 2 year bridge deal.

I wonder if being in Toronto has anything to do with PK obviously wanting to come to Toronto in 2 years to play with friend, Stamkos?

I wonder if being in Toronto has anything to do with PK obviously wanting to come to Toronto in 2 years to play with friend, Stamkos?
- weirdoh

No , I already told you guys he wants to play with Hall and Ebs in Edmonton.

No , I already told you guys he wants to play with Hall and Ebs in Edmonton.
- Jeropotato

poop. Really? What's the connection? World Jrs?

Except the aforementioned D-men are now worth north of 10mil. They're just unfortunately (for their sakes) locked into old contracts. Subban is at the advantage of signing now, when players are being handed more money.

You can't use contracts that were signed under different circumstances, caps, and CBA's as grounds for why Subban should or should not get 'x' amount of money.
- ehabs9

Did Doughty have a "bridge contract"?
What stopped Bergevin from giving him the money already, on the long term cap friendly contract.
He saved a couple of mil, now he is gonna pay big.

poop. Really? What's the connection? World Jrs?
- weirdoh

Did you not see that sweet set up to Ebs he made to tie it up against the Ruskies?

Glory days, Baby! Glory days!

Did Doughty have a "bridge contract"?
What stopped Bergevin from giving him the money already, on the long term cap friendly contract.
He saved a couple of mil, now he is gonna pay big.
- StargateSG1

So are the Hall, Eberle and RNH deals still stupid?