Not for Habs fans it isn't *sigh*
- ehabs9

it doesn't matter who the leafs sign or trade for, they'll never be able to get a better 1st line center than Bozak
- Isles_since_6

Subban is not worth anything over 7 million

The guy hasn't done poop! (1/2 season Norris doesn't count)

Winning the Norris in a half season is rediculous let alone if he tries to use it as leverage for an $8million contract.

The guy is not worth more than a pietrangelo contract at best!

He most certainly isn't better than Doughty.

When is he right?
- ehabs9

i remember this one time.......hmmmmmmmmm

Subban is not worth anything over 7 million

The guy hasn't done poop! (1/2 season Norris doesn't count)

Winning the Norris in a half season is rediculous let alone if he tries to use it as leverage for an $8million contract.

The guy is not worth more than a pietrangelo contract at best!


- Shenanigans20

Why doesn't a Norris in a half season not count? Did he have some type of advantage over others?

Subban is not worth anything over 7 million

The guy hasn't done poop! (1/2 season Norris doesn't count)

Winning the Norris in a half season is rediculous let alone if he tries to use it as leverage for an $8million contract.

The guy is not worth more than a pietrangelo contract at best!

He most certainly isn't better than Doughty.


- Shenanigans20

Please refer back to the overwhelming amount of times it's been explained why him getting over 7mil has nothing to do with him "being better than Doughty."

Why doesn't a Norris in a half season not count? Did he have some type of advantage over others?
- Yeti1181

You didn't know? Black people make better sprinters. A shortened season was playing right into his hands, could have just given him the Norris before it even started.

You didn't know? Black people make better sprinters. A shortened season was playing right into his hands, could have just given him the Norris before it even started.
- ehabs9

Why doesn't a Norris in a half season not count? Did he have some type of advantage over others?
- Yeti1181

It's not a full season that's why.

Until he proves himself in a real 82 game season to win the Norris then fine he is the best dman, but I can't see him winning it in an 82 game season. Why? Because there are better dmen than him. Weber, doughty, Keith, pietrangelo...they are all better than Subban.

Point is he isn't better than the aforementioned dmen, therefore not worth 8million.

IMO

Please refer back to the overwhelming amount of times it's been explained why him getting over 7mil has nothing to do with him "being better than Doughty."
- ehabs9

Please refer to the fact it's an overpayment

Edit.

In fact I'm surprised TOR or PHILLY hasn't offer sheeted him at 9per/yr

It's not a full season that's why.

Until he proves himself in a real 82 game season to win the Norris then fine he is the best dman, but I can't see him winning it in an 82 game season. Why? Because there are better dmen than him. Weber, doughty, Keith, pietrangelo...they are all better than Subban.

Point is he isn't better than the aforementioned dmen, therefore not worth 8million.

IMO
- Shenanigans20

Except the aforementioned D-men are now worth north of 10mil. They're just unfortunately (for their sakes) locked into old contracts. Subban is at the advantage of signing now, when players are being handed more money.

You can't use contracts that were signed under different circumstances, caps, and CBA's as grounds for why Subban should or should not get 'x' amount of money.

Please refer to the fact it's an overpayment

Edit.

In fact I'm surprised TOR or PHILLY hasn't offer sheeted him at 9per/yr
- Shenanigans20

Can't be offer sheeted once they filed for arbitration.

Except the aforementioned D-men are now worth north of 10mil. They're just unfortunately (for their sakes) locked into old contracts. Subban is at the advantage of signing now, when players are being handed more money.
- ehabs9

Well right now he isn't worth 8/yr.

If they signed him at 6.5 or 7 now, that's a bargain for the future not 8.

Can't be offer sheeted once they filed for arbitration.
- ehabs9

I was talking about before

It's not a full season that's why.

Until he proves himself in a real 82 game season to win the Norris then fine he is the best dman, but I can't see him winning it in an 82 game season. Why? Because there are better dmen than him. Weber, doughty, Keith, pietrangelo...they are all better than Subban.

Point is he isn't better than the aforementioned dmen, therefore not worth 8million.

IMO
- Shenanigans20

That's your argument? Because its not a full 82 game season . Those people you mention all had the same chance to win in the short season as he did and yet they didn't. There's nothing to say he wouldn't have won it over the full season absolutely nothing.

EDIT: in fact three of the four guys you mentioned have never the Norris in any type of season.

I was talking about before
- Shenanigans20

They filed almost immediately

- Flyfreaky

Interesting...

It's not a full season that's why.

Until he proves himself in a real 82 game season to win the Norris then fine he is the best dman, but I can't see him winning it in an 82 game season. Why? Because there are better dmen than him. Weber, doughty, Keith, pietrangelo...they are all better than Subban.

Point is he isn't better than the aforementioned dmen, therefore not worth 8million.

IMO
- Shenanigans20

Ummmm when those guys signed their deals there was less money in the cap bud. If you have a bigger pie everyone gets a bigger piece. but I could mail you a calculator

Well right now he isn't worth 8/yr.

If they signed him at 6.5 or 7 now, that's a bargain for the future not 8.
- Shenanigans20

You have to look at what players are being paid now though.

If Weber was signing a contract right now, how much? 11.

If Keith was signing right now? 9-10

if Doughty was signing right now? 11-12


Subban at 8-8.5 when that's considered seems pretty on point to me.

That's your argument? Because its not a full 82 game season . Those people you mention all had the same chance to win in the short season as he did and yet they didn't. There's nothing to say he wouldn't have won it over the full season absolutely nothing.
- Yeti1181

He won't win in a full season. I'd be surprised if he does. That's my opinion

Doesn't really matter because he isn't worth 8+ as a dman right now and probably won't ever be worth that amount of money.

You need to respect someone's opinion whether you agree or not.

I think winning anything in a 1/2 season should have an asterix next to their name or team.

You have to look at what players are being paid now though.

If Weber was signing a contract right now, how much? 11.

If Keith was signing right now? 9-10

if Doughty was signing right now? 11-12


Subban at 8-8.5 when that's considered seems pretty on point to me.
- ehabs9

WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!!

He won't win in a full season. I'd be surprised if he does. That's my opinion

Doesn't really matter because he isn't worth 8+ as a dman right now and probably won't ever be worth that amount of money.

You need to respect someone's opinion whether you agree or not.

I think winning anything in a 1/2 season should have an asterix next to their name or team.
- Shenanigans20

I dont have to respect this opinion at all lol. The dollars in the game ARE DIFFERENT. i don't understand what you dont get man

He won't win in a full season. I'd be surprised if he does. That's my opinion

Doesn't really matter because he isn't worth 8+ as a dman right now and probably won't ever be worth that amount of money.

You need to respect someone's opinion whether you agree or not.

I think winning anything in a 1/2 season should have an asterix next to their name or team.
- Shenanigans20

So when 3-4 D-men are making 7mil a year down the road, Subban still won't be worth 8mil in your books?

You don't seem to be accounting for salary inflation in the league at all.

He won't win in a full season. I'd be surprised if he does. That's my opinion

Doesn't really matter because he isn't worth 8+ as a dman right now and probably won't ever be worth that amount of money.

You need to respect someone's opinion whether you agree or not.

I think winning anything in a 1/2 season should have an asterix next to their name or team.
- Shenanigans20

I'm not disrespecting your opinion I'm having a discussion that's what this site is for.

So if the shorten season was a full season why do you think those guys would have overtook him for the Norris? You seem to have a strong opinion about so there must be a thought process behind it.

You have to look at what players are being paid now though.

If Weber was signing a contract right now, how much? 11.

If Keith was signing right now? 9-10

if Doughty was signing right now? 11-12


Subban at 8-8.5 when that's considered seems pretty on point to me.
- ehabs9

gretzky was paid 3mil in his final year in LA, about 10 times more then the average player back then. Thats only slightly more then the average NHL salary now. So really he would be getting like 20mil a year now.

Its inflation and growth of the industry that rose up the salaries.

8 mill for one year...maybe steep. But its higher because its a short contract. Over a longer period, great deal