Hi five!!!

- elcabong

so real question here - lets say Habs decide to trade Subban. Whats a realistic return?
- Joel_Eh

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I'm surprised anyone is dumb enough to still bet against the wings.

As long as Holland is running this show, they'll be fine.
- Scabeh

Although if you ask some Wings fans the fact that Holland has signed Dan Cleary the last two years* shows he clearly has some dementia.

*Not that I think signing Cleary was a good idea, it's just not the apocalypse some people are making it out to be.

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- eichiefs9

I'm not falling for that!!

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- eichiefs9

wtf dude, we need those pucks for practice

Although if you ask some Wings fans the fact that Holland has signed Dan Cleary the last two years* shows he clearly has some dementia.

*Not that I think signing Cleary was a good idea, it's just not the apocalypse some people are making it out to be.
- noffsin6

Truth be told, I think Holland sometimes make decisions based on loyalty.

He asks and usually receives loyalty and bargain deals from his players... it only makes sense he acts the same way towards them.

Truth be told, I think Holland sometimes make decisions based on loyalty.

He asks and usually receives loyalty and bargain deals from his players... it only makes sense he acts the same way towards them.
- Scabeh

I'm really surprised detroit struck out in the ufa period this year, that shocked me. Model franchise with highly regarded hockey people running it. They're not as solid as in the past but they're still a dangerous team and with a couple of additions could easily do some damage. Still blows me away that they couldn't land anyone.

Yeah I know. I'm sure all the haters are right, the Wings are doomed to lottery picks for the next 10 years. Just like they said they were in 2004. And 2010.

Just for comparison's sake they both play wing, are about the same size. Parise had 1 goal and 7 assists more than NyQuist last year in 10 more games.
- noffsin6

No hate here. I like Nyquist. Your wording was just kind of funny to me.

I also think there's a lot being said about Nyquist after a short rookie season. He's going to be a solid player without question, but I don't think anybody's seen enough to know he's a future superstar.

Also, didn't see anybody anywhere ever say that the Wings are doomed to lottery picks for the next 10 years.

so real question here - lets say Habs decide to trade Subban. Whats a realistic return?
- Joel_Eh

They'll get the standard 1st round pick, top prospect, current NHL player that's the going rate these days. You can up the quality of those pieces, but you really can't do much better than those pieces. Not many teams have all those pieces, and even fewer have enough depth or willingness to give up more than that.

If they trade him sooner rather than later they'll probably get a little bit more. Less if he's just a 3 month rental at the trade deadline in a few years. That's the basic package though.

The Wings are doomed to lottery picks for the next 10 years.

No hate here. I like Nyquist. Your wording was just kind of funny to me.

I also think there's a lot being said about Nyquist after a short rookie season. He's going to be a solid player without question, but I don't think anybody's seen enough to know he's a future superstar.

Also, didn't see anybody anywhere ever say that the Wings are doomed to lottery picks for the next 10 years.
- SolidGoldBricks

Yo man what are you, blind?

I'm really surprised detroit struck out in the ufa period this year, that shocked me. Model franchise with highly regarded hockey people running it. They're not as solid as in the past but they're still a dangerous team and with a couple of additions could easily do some damage. Still blows me away that they couldn't land anyone.
- Isles_since_6

Honestly, considering the amount at which many players were signed last summer.... maybe not signing anyone was the right move.

When Pouliot is getting 20M for 5 years, you know things just got crazy!

Yo man what are you, blind?
- eichiefs9

sore subject.

My brailputer misses things sometimes!

Yo man what are you, blind?
- eichiefs9

Also,

No hate here. I like Nyquist. Your wording was just kind of funny to me.

I also think there's a lot being said about Nyquist after a short rookie season. He's going to be a solid player without question, but I don't think anybody's seen enough to know he's a future superstar.

Also, didn't see anybody anywhere ever say that the Wings are doomed to lottery picks for the next 10 years.
- SolidGoldBricks

People have been predicting the Wings are going to fall off a cliff for a while. A few have been saying it around here in the last couple days. My sarcasm was directed at them not you.

Like I said, I think NyQuist is going to be a pretty good Parise type player. Maybe a little better, maybe a little worse, but nothing to sneeze at.

wtf dude, we need those pucks for practice
- Isles_since_6

Not after the way you played last game.

Bag skate.

No pucks.

Honestly, considering the amount at which many players were signed last summer.... maybe not signing anyone was the right move.

When Pouliot is getting 20M for 5 years, you know things just got crazy!
- Scabeh

I think it all comes down to cap management. If you don't sign a number of silly contracts (every team has at least 1-2) then you're generally in a position to pay a little more to land the right fit for your team. The UFA period gets more ridiculous every year and less impact players are available as teams lock them up long term.

The Isles gambled on kulemin playing with grabovski, and hoping he'd be more productive (no one expects a repeat of his 30 goal performance, but 14-18 goals would be a good showing) and were only in a position to do so because of two reasons:

a> wang is cheap and has kept the team at the floor for a while now
b> we have a ton of players on cap friendly deals (JT, Okposo, Nielson, etc)

we have more than enough room to take a gamble like this, and after last season along with a potential sale of the team it's a situation where the team has to take a step forward. Vanek would have been preferential (IMO) but Grabovski gives us very solid depth down the middle.

wait, weren't we talking about Subban?

Not after the way you played last game.

Bag skate.

No pucks.
- Atomic Wedgie

goddamnit.

Honestly, considering the amount at which many players were signed last summer.... maybe not signing anyone was the right move.

When Pouliot is getting 20M for 5 years, you know things just got crazy!
- Scabeh

Yeah between the crazy contracts UFA's got and the crazy price you have to trade for someone not doing anything is not the worst option.

If they stay semi-healthy they should be better anyways, and if we're really lucky someone like Sproul or Marchenko will light it up in camp and they'll be forced to keep them in Detroit.

People have been predicting the Wings are going to fall off a cliff for a while. A few have been saying it around here in the last couple days. My sarcasm was directed at them not you.

Like I said, I think NyQuist is going to be a pretty good Parise type player. Maybe a little better, maybe a little worse, but nothing to sneeze at.
- noffsin6

He definitely could end up being that next superstar player for Detroit, too. I just think we need to see a bit more before we have a good idea what type of guy he's going to be. Either way though, as I said, he's going to be a great talent for them for a while.

I'm really surprised detroit struck out in the ufa period this year, that shocked me. Model franchise with highly regarded hockey people running it. They're not as solid as in the past but they're still a dangerous team and with a couple of additions could easily do some damage. Still blows me away that they couldn't land anyone.
- Isles_since_6

Erhoff will regret it...



But seriously, Boyle wanted to play with MSL.
Niskanen went to the team where his mentor went, and he got overpaid.
I am not sure he is worth that cap hit and term based on 1 good season.

so real question here - lets say Habs decide to trade Subban. Whats a realistic return?
- Joel_Eh

That's easy - Habs said he is worth $5.25M. Andy Greene got $5M. So, he's worth whatever Andy Greene would. Plus a 3rd, of course

Yeah between the crazy contracts UFA's got and the crazy price you have to trade for someone not doing anything is not the worst option.

If they stay semi-healthy they should be better anyways, and if we're really lucky someone like Sproul or Marchenko will light it up in camp and they'll be forced to keep them in Detroit.
- noffsin6

Absolutely.

There are 2 potential RH D Studs in Grand Rapids.
Let them play and see what they can do.
Put one of them on the Power Play and slide Smitty in there too.
Can't be worse than Kronner never getting any pucks on net.

That's easy - Habs said he is worth $5.25M. Andy Greene got $5M. So, he's worth whatever Andy Greene would. Plus a 3rd, of course
- Canada Cup

Do you really want to be responsible for the entire city going bonkers?

Erhoff will regret it...



But seriously, Boyle wanted to play with MSL.
Niskanen went to the team where his mentor went, and he got overpaid.
I am not sure he is worth that cap hit and term based on 1 good season.
- StargateSG1

ehrhoff would have been a fantastic fit in detroit. I think he'll enjoy being part of the pens powerplay though.