He doesn't have a contract yet so how can you advance at a job you don't have yet? I see it as he wants a promotion before he even was hired.

Look I wouldn't mind if he signs with the Rangers, I have nothing wrong with adding depth. I just don't like the kids attitude.
- TPC

Not that you are one but I don't see any Giants fans talking about the pissy little attitude Eli Manning showed when the Chargers drafted him. Telling a team not to draft him, grudgingly accepting their jersey on stage when they do and then sulking afterwards until the trade to the Giants was announced. I'm not a Chargers fan but I thought that display was childish and the product of a very spoiled upbringing.

His brother on the other hand went to the worst team in the NFL at the time and immediately helped improve that club. He took the challenge and ran with it. Not like baby brother (emphasis on "baby") Eli.

We don't know for sure all the inner machinations going on. We've heard reports that he wants to play in the NHL right now. We've heard maybe he isn't pleased the Hawks traded his brother. Maybe he has a legitimate gripe. I don't have a problem with a player who exercises his rights under a collectively bargained agreement and picking his destination. I don't think that necessarily means he has a bad attitude.

I don't recall much vitriol directed at Tim Erixon, who was on the verge of doing the same thing to Calgary before being dealt here. Also Justin Schultz did become a UFA and signed with the Oilers after being drafted originally by the Ducks. Just saying we don't know if Hayes has a bad attitude or if he has legitimate and understandable reasons to want to play elsewhere.

Not that you are one but I don't see any Giants fans talking about the pissy little attitude Eli Manning showed when the Chargers drafted him. Telling a team not to draft him, grudgingly accepting their jersey on stage when they do and then sulking afterwards until the trade to the Giants was announced. I'm not a Chargers fan but I thought that display was childish and the product of a very spoiled upbringing.

His brother on the other hand went to the worst team in the NFL at the time and immediately helped improve that club. He took the challenge and ran with it. Not like baby brother (emphasis on "baby") Eli.

We don't know for sure all the inner machinations going on. We've heard reports that he wants to play in the NHL right now. We've heard maybe he isn't pleased the Hawks traded his brother. Maybe he has a legitimate gripe. I don't have a problem with a player who exercises his rights under a collectively bargained agreement and picking his destination. I don't think that necessarily means he has a bad attitude.

I don't recall much vitriol directed at Tim Erixon, who was on the verge of doing the same thing to Calgary before being dealt here. Also Justin Schultz did become a UFA and signed with the Oilers after being drafted originally by the Ducks. Just saying we don't know if Hayes has a bad attitude or if he has legitimate and understandable reasons to want to play elsewhere.
- gkmkiller

Hayes won't come out and say it, but I still say he is acting like this because the Black Hawks traded his brother

Not that you are one but I don't see any Giants fans talking about the pissy little attitude Eli Manning showed when the Chargers drafted him. Telling a team not to draft him, grudgingly accepting their jersey on stage when they do and then sulking afterwards until the trade to the Giants was announced. I'm not a Chargers fan but I thought that display was childish and the product of a very spoiled upbringing.

His brother on the other hand went to the worst team in the NFL at the time and immediately helped improve that club. He took the challenge and ran with it. Not like baby brother (emphasis on "baby") Eli.

We don't know for sure all the inner machinations going on. We've heard reports that he wants to play in the NHL right now. We've heard maybe he isn't pleased the Hawks traded his brother. Maybe he has a legitimate gripe. I don't have a problem with a player who exercises his rights under a collectively bargained agreement and picking his destination. I don't think that necessarily means he has a bad attitude.

I don't recall much vitriol directed at Tim Erixon, who was on the verge of doing the same thing to Calgary before being dealt here. Also Justin Schultz did become a UFA and signed with the Oilers after being drafted originally by the Ducks. Just saying we don't know if Hayes has a bad attitude or if he has legitimate and understandable reasons to want to play elsewhere.
- gkmkiller

The Eric Lindros situation with Quebec was one of starkest examples of this I've ever seen, and ultimately resulting in him getting traded to two separate teams. That situation was absolutely crazy, and the trade packages that both the Flyers and Rangers put together were nuts. I can't imagine what this board would be like if the Rangers put together a similar package for anyone player today, equivalent to what they offered for Lindros. Times have changed.

Edit: The Rangers trade package for Lindros was Weight, Amonte, Kovalev, Vanbiesbrouck and 3 first round draft picks. This is not a perfect comparison, but would you guys give Kreider, Stepan, Zucarello, Talbot (not a good comparison for John V), and the next three available first round picks for Sidney Crosby?

The Eric Lindros situation with Quebec was one of starkest examples of this I've ever seen, and ultimately resulting in him getting traded to two separate teams. That situation was absolutely crazy, and the trade packages that both the Flyers and Rangers put together were nuts. I can't imagine what this board would be like if the Rangers put together a similar package for anyone player today, equivalent to what they offered for Lindros. Times have changed.

Edit: The Rangers trade package for Lindros was Weight, Amonte, Kovalev, Vanbiesbrouck and 3 first round draft picks. This is not a perfect comparison, but would you guys give Kreider, Stepan, Zucarello, Talbot (not a could comparison for John V), and the next three available first round picks for Sidney Crosby?
- Pete V

that's a crazy mind blowing question there Pete-ster

that's a crazy mind blowing question there Pete-ster
- jimbro83

It would leave the forward unit totally depleted. The Rangers would have to hit free agency pretty hard to pull some guys off the scrapheap.

Hagelin-Crosby-Nash
Stempniak-Brassard-St. Louis
Fast-Miller-Lombardi
Glass-Moore-whoever

Yikes!

He doesn't have a contract yet so how can you advance at a job you don't have yet? I see it as he wants a promotion before he even was hired.

Look I wouldn't mind if he signs with the Rangers, I have nothing wrong with adding depth. I just don't like the kids attitude.
- TPC

Sounds a lot like Nichuskin. That kid got shredded because he demanded an NHL job from the club that drafted him.

It would leave the forward unit totally depleted. The Rangers would have to hit free agency pretty hard to pull some guys off the scrapheap.

Hagelin-Crosby-Nash
Stempniak-Brassard-St. Louis
Fast-Miller-Lombardi
Glass-Moore-whoever

Yikes!
- Pete V

I think it would be a bad idea, on top of parting with the next 3 first rounders, when we haven't had our last 3 on top of it

The Eric Lindros situation with Quebec was one of starkest examples of this I've ever seen, and ultimately resulting in him getting traded to two separate teams. That situation was absolutely crazy, and the trade packages that both the Flyers and Rangers put together were nuts. I can't imagine what this board would be like if the Rangers put together a similar package for anyone player today, equivalent to what they offered for Lindros. Times have changed.

Edit: The Rangers trade package for Lindros was Weight, Amonte, Kovalev, Vanbiesbrouck and 3 first round draft picks. This is not a perfect comparison, but would you guys give Kreider, Stepan, Zucarello, Talbot (not a good comparison for John V), and the next three available first round picks for Sidney Crosby?
- Pete V

Are we talking Crosby when he was drafted or Crosby now? I wouldn't do it for a concussion prone 27 year old.

I think it would be a bad idea, on top of parting with the next 3 first rounders, when we haven't had our last 3 on top of it
- jimbro83

I think it would be a bad idea as well. But that was effectively what the Rangers were offering for Lindros. Granted that Rangers team would have probably been able to weather that trade a little better with their then lineup, and the ability to spend whatever they wanted in free agency.

I think it would be a bad idea as well. But that was effectively what the Rangers were offering for Lindros. Granted that Rangers team would have probably been able to weather that trade a little better with their then lineup, and the ability to spend whatever they wanted in free agency.
- Pete V

at the time of the Lindros proposal, it was the concept of adding Lindros to a core of Messier who just won the Hart trophy, Leetch who just won the Norris and was only 24 years old and giving the full time reins in net to Mike Richter.

Such a different time. I remember being extremely disappointed the arbitrator ruled in the Flyers favor. Imagine this blog being around during that crazy time.

at the time of the Lindros proposal, it was the concept of adding Lindros to a core of Messier who just won the Hart trophy, Leetch who just won the Norris and was only 24 years old and giving the full time reins in net to Mike Richter.

Such a different time. I remember being extremely disappointed the arbitrator ruled in the Flyers favor. Imagine this blog being around during that crazy time.
- jimbro83

It is just hard to see any one player being worth what either the Rangers or Flyers would have, and the Flyers case did, trade for Lindros. In this era, you don't have the luxury to give up all those young players and picks for one player, because you would get killed under the salary cap system. Back in the day, if you made that type of trade, you could always find other ways to build your roster and fill the holes created by the trade. Not the case anymore.

I had an Islander fan say something loco like that recently too. And this is a 45 yr old die hard, knowledgable fan. "If you don't win the Cup, you fail, seasons a disappointment, whether you're in the Finals or the worst team in the league." ok, I lost all respect for this guy after this. It was all because I said I was proud of the Rangers season, it was a huge success.
- B2B76

that sounds like a certain Flyers poster (and Giants fan, so you guys get partial custody of him). Nothing short of winning the cup is worth even thinking about and if you don't win the Hart and Conn Smythe as a player you're a loser. smh

The Eric Lindros situation with Quebec was one of starkest examples of this I've ever seen, and ultimately resulting in him getting traded to two separate teams. That situation was absolutely crazy, and the trade packages that both the Flyers and Rangers put together were nuts. I can't imagine what this board would be like if the Rangers put together a similar package for anyone player today, equivalent to what they offered for Lindros. Times have changed.

Edit: The Rangers trade package for Lindros was Weight, Amonte, Kovalev, Vanbiesbrouck and 3 first round draft picks. This is not a perfect comparison, but would you guys give Kreider, Stepan, Zucarello, Talbot (not a good comparison for John V), and the next three available first round picks for Sidney Crosby?
- Pete V

Just for sh!ts and giggles and because its august, here is the July 2005 trade, which I don't think would ever happen, for Crosby.

Rangers get:
Sydney Crosby

Pens get:
Peter Prucha
Jamie Lundmark/ Jarkko Immonen
Fedor Tyutin
Dominic Moore
2006 1st (Bobby Sanguinetti)
2007 1st (Alex Cherepanov) RIP
2008 1st (Michael Del Zotto)

Now obviously a trade like that would have impacted out draft position but i would have done that trade then all things considered.

Jagr Crosby Straka
Ruchinsky Nylander Sykora



F'n August.

Just for sh!ts and giggles and because its august, here is the July 2005 trade, which I don't think would ever happen, for Crosby.

Rangers get:
Sydney Crosby

Pens get:
Peter Prucha
Jamie Lundmark/ Jarkko Immonen
Fedor Tyutin
Dominic Moore
2006 1st (Bobby Sanguinetti)
2007 1st (Alex Cherepanov) RIP
2008 1st (Michael Del Zotto)

Now obviously a trade like that would have impacted out draft position but i would have done that trade then all things considered.

Jagr Crosby Straka
Ruchinsky Nylander Sykora



F'n August.
- climbdenali12

Compare that to now. And how much teams value the draft, what would be the price for McDavid? The team that drafts 2nd is in one of the easiest spots.

Compare that to now. And how much teams value the draft, what would be the price for McDavid? The team that drafts 2nd is in one of the easiest spots.
- tomburton99

Yeah, Eichel is a nice pick up at two.

at the time of the Lindros proposal, it was the concept of adding Lindros to a core of Messier who just won the Hart trophy, Leetch who just won the Norris and was only 24 years old and giving the full time reins in net to Mike Richter.

Such a different time. I remember being extremely disappointed the arbitrator ruled in the Flyers favor. Imagine this blog being around during that crazy time.
- jimbro83

last summer? one of the guys was blogging what if blogs and one was a "what if the rangers got lindros" and he goes into how under Messier, maybe Lindros skates with his head up and continues to be a dominant force etc.. was a good read

last summer? one of the guys was blogging what if blogs and one was a "what if the rangers got lindros" and he goes into how under Messier, maybe Lindros skates with his head up and continues to be a dominant force etc.. was a good read
- MeltingPlastic

Yea I remember that blog, was out there a bit, but def different & who knows. Maybe the Rangers win multiple Cups, maybe they don't win any. Remember how much a factor Kovalev was in those playoffs in 94.

He doesn't have a contract yet so how can you advance at a job you don't have yet? I see it as he wants a promotion before he even was hired.

Look I wouldn't mind if he signs with the Rangers, I have nothing wrong with adding depth. I just don't like the kids attitude.
- TPC

Because you brought up why wouldn't he wasn't to be with Chicago that was my reason

Because you brought up why wouldn't he wasn't to be with Chicago that was my reason
- Spin55

Gotcha

Gotcha
- TPC

It's a valid reason. How can anyone demand an NHL job without a minute of pro experience. If he was European he'd be getting hacked on the web because of it. But his skill set makes him an intriguing addition

It's a valid reason. How can anyone demand an NHL job without a minute of pro experience. If he was European he'd be getting hacked on the web because of it. But his skill set makes him an intriguing addition
- tomburton99

Yea its why Hayes rubbed me the wrong way. To my knowledge even though Erixon didn't want to sign with the Flames, he never demanded playing time at the NHL level. I don't know all the facts but some of the rumors is that he wants guaranteed playing time. Franking earn it kid. How do you expect your teammates to respect you if you just want stuff handed to you.

If there is another reason why he won't sign then fine. But I am basing my piss-ness off the rumors that he wants a guaranteed ice time on opening night.

edit: And yes I realized piss-ness isn't a word. But that describes how I feel haha

Ugh! So over that one!
- evitageN

Well, we are 2-2. Need that rubber match.

yo i'm gonna find jim corsi and fight him

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