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YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Aug 1 @ 3:46 PM ET
Would you swap Letang/Sutter for Subban/3rd Pick assuming PK would re-sign for 8 years, $64-68M?
- Barnaby36


I love Letang and hate Subban so I'm skewed haha. If Subban was on our team though I'm sure I would like him.

I would probably do this because even though its pretty much a lateral move ...Subbans health is less risky than Letangs.

...right now I'm still stuck on the Pouliot for Kuznetzov deal...that would have a better effect than that Letang for Subban blockbuster, imo
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 1 @ 3:59 PM ET
You're gonna pay 8.5 for PK, vs 7.2 for Letang, not worth it IMO with 87 and 71 on the team.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Aug 1 @ 4:03 PM ET
You're gonna pay 8.5 for PK, vs 7.2 for Letang, not worth it IMO with 87 and 71 on the team.
- sammy87


Maybe...but Sutter and his 3-4 million is gone too.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 1 @ 4:05 PM ET
You're gonna pay 8.5 for PK, vs 7.2 for Letang, not worth it IMO with 87 and 71 on the team.
- sammy87

I hear ya. I don't think I'd do that trade either but wouldn't be too mad if it happened. I'm a big Letang fan and hate PK but he can play the game for sure.

Sign Sutter already or trade his ass to Winnipeg.

As for the Pouliot for Kuznetsov deal I'd do that and run. We have to give up to get something good in return.
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Aug 1 @ 4:15 PM ET
Interesting inside take from DK --

Anyone who thought the Capitals overpaid for Matt Niskanen, Brooks Orpik or both, know this: Both were offered more money by other teams, Niskanen by the Red Wings, Orpik by the Avalanche. The common denominator in bringing them together in Washington was Todd Reirden, their defensive coach in Pittsburgh. Really popular figure with all those guys. Worked his tail off.

Know who will miss Reirden most? Kris Letang.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


I disagree with Kris Letang missing Reirden. The guy who miss Reirden the most will be Paul Martin.
Bradlee3
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tanev hit was clean.
Joined: 06.30.2012

Aug 1 @ 4:23 PM ET
Would you swap Letang/Sutter for Subban/3rd Pick assuming PK would re-sign for 8 years, $64-68M?
- Barnaby36

Not only no but HELL no !
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 1 @ 4:27 PM ET
Maybe...but Sutter and his 3-4 million is gone too.
- YouMeAndDupuis9


Well ok, you still need to fill Sutter's spot and a top 6 spot. I would rather move Martin and Scuds off the books.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Aug 1 @ 4:27 PM ET
I disagree with Kris Letang missing Reirden. The guy who miss Reirden the most will be Paul Martin.
- Thunderbolt


Kris: "Todd, how do I play defense"
Todd: "Give me your hair and I'll tell you"
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 1 @ 4:30 PM ET


Leafs fans..
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 1 @ 4:33 PM ET
So Letang @ $7.25M sounds better than PK Subban @ $8.5M or Phaneuf @ $7.0M
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Aug 1 @ 4:35 PM ET
Would you swap Letang/Sutter for Subban/3rd Pick assuming PK would re-sign for 8 years, $64-68M?
- Barnaby36


Yes. Subban at 8m is better than Letang at 7.2m.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Aug 1 @ 4:37 PM ET
I love Letang and hate Subban so I'm skewed haha. If Subban was on our team though I'm sure I would like him.

I would probably do this because even though its pretty much a lateral move ...Subbans health is less risky than Letangs.

...right now I'm still stuck on the Pouliot for Kuznetzov deal...that would have a better effect than that Letang for Subban blockbuster, imo

- YouMeAndDupuis9



There is no way the Capitals are trading Kuznetzov to us. That guy is awesome.
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Aug 1 @ 4:52 PM ET
Letang will have more points than subban this year... BOOK IT
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 1 @ 5:02 PM ET
Letang will have more points than subban this year... BOOK IT
- drummer829

Wouldn't be surprised.....but now he'll have the company of Ehrhoff, a good PP QB.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Aug 1 @ 5:48 PM ET
There is no way the Capitals are trading Kuznetzov to us. That guy is awesome.
- stackthepads


:-(

Pouliot was the 8th overall pick and has nothing but improved his value since the draft. You don't think the Caps would consider it? Clearly they are desperate for D after what they signed Orpik and Nisky. Maybe we add something? I would try like hell to make it happen.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Aug 1 @ 5:50 PM ET
Awesome pic of Geno and Olli Maatta

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt9_WHOCAAAJeWp.jpg
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Aug 1 @ 6:29 PM ET
:-(

Pouliot was the 8th overall pick and has nothing but improved his value since the draft. You don't think the Caps would consider it? Clearly they are desperate for D after what they signed Orpik and Nisky. Maybe we add something? I would try like hell to make it happen.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


Well I wouldnt trade him. He is really, REALLY good... If I were rating Russian forwards it would go:
Ovechkin
Malkin
Datsyuk
Kuznetzov

I know I know OV sucks, but I still think he is the best Russian player.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Aug 1 @ 6:31 PM ET
Awesome pic of Geno and Olli Maatta

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt9_WHOCAAAJeWp.jpg

- YouMeAndDupuis9



Whoa, Maata looks like he's bulked up over the summer!
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 1 @ 6:31 PM ET
Awesome pic of Geno and Olli Maatta

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt9_WHOCAAAJeWp.jpg

- YouMeAndDupuis9

haha looks just like him. This kid must be playing hockey already. He's built for his age.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Aug 1 @ 6:33 PM ET
Well I wouldnt trade him. He is really, REALLY good... If I were rating Russian forwards it would go:
Ovechkin
Malkin
Datsyuk
Kucherov

I know I know OV sucks, but I still think he is the best Russian player.

- stackthepads

Wtf?? Ovi? No way. I'd go with Malkin and Datsyuk before picking him.
powerhouse
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Columbia , MD
Joined: 11.28.2006

Aug 1 @ 6:34 PM ET

Let Sutter walk.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Aug 1 @ 6:36 PM ET
Wtf?? Ovi? No way. I'd go with Malkin and Datsyuk before picking him.
- Barnaby36


If I were starting a team and could have any one Russian I would take OV. Datsyuk if he were younger.
Malkin and OV are tough to choose between, I like OVs physicality, which is why I'd choose him.
sammy87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: CO
Joined: 05.05.2011

Aug 1 @ 6:45 PM ET
If I were starting a team and could have any one Russian I would take OV. Datsyuk if he were younger.
Malkin and OV are tough to choose between, I like OVs physicality, which is why I'd choose him.

- stackthepads


I mean OV doesn't even try to skate into the defensive zone, it's embarrassing.

If I HAD to take a Russian on my team it would be Datsyuk followed by Malkin. Not saying OV doesn't have any talent, he is arguably the most talented in the game, he just doesn't give a crap (see last 2 Olympics). If I was a GM I would have 0 Russians on my team. Even Malkin looks lazy pretty often.
Guile
Joined: 03.04.2014

Aug 1 @ 6:45 PM ET
If I were starting a team and could have any one Russian I would take OV. Datsyuk if he were younger.
Malkin and OV are tough to choose between, I like OVs physicality, which is why I'd choose him.

- stackthepads



Then I will gladly give you 1st pick on Russian forwards. Hell, EVERYONE, will give you first pick on Russian forwards, and laugh at you while we go into the postseason.

He is one of the WORST defensive liabilities in the NHL. I don't care how many goals he can score, if having him will force your team to take at least 30 more due to him alone. That is not worth 8+ mil, thats worth kicking his lazy ass back into the minor leagues.
stackthepads
Joined: 05.13.2013

Aug 1 @ 6:55 PM ET
Then I will gladly give you 1st pick on Russian forwards. Hell, EVERYONE, will give you first pick on Russian forwards, and laugh at you while we go into the postseason.

He is one of the WORST defensive liabilities in the NHL. I don't care how many goals he can score, if having him will force your team to take at least 30 more due to him alone. That is not worth 8+ mil, thats worth kicking his lazy ass back into the minor leagues.

- Guile


I agree he is near worthless in his own end, so you need to get him a defensive centerman to cover for him. Toews and Ovechkin would be pretty sweet.... and it was possible for us to have both those guys and crosby.

I dont think Malkin is much better in the dzone, he just plays center which positionally brings you back further, wingers can cherry pick its harder for centers.

and the Caps didnt miss the playoffs because of OV, they missed because they're terrible.
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