From day one Dupuis delivered for us. He got paid less than he deserved for at least 3-4 years. It's a different situation IMO. Apples and Oranges.
- Barnaby36

It's no shot at Dupuis. He's being paid like a guy who would be overqualified to be a third line player and a good complementary top six who handles himself with poise and is an exemplary teammate. I think he could have taken a year less and gotten himself an even $4M from ExGMRS. That would still be value at the time of the signing when players like Drew Stafford and Jiri Hudler are comparable cap hits.

It's no shot at Dupuis. He's being paid like a guy who would be overqualified to be a third line player and a good complementary top six who handles himself with poise and is an exemplary teammate. I think he could have taken a year less and gotten himself an even $4M from ExGMRS. That would still be value at the time of the signing when players like Drew Stafford and Jiri Hudler are comparable cap hits.
- Johnny Wrath

he would have gotten over four on the open market

Adams will not. He's got tenure with this team, a few Cup rings, and a Harvard-level sense of what he's worth. I wouldn't give up my number were I him, either.

I hope that Hornqvist will wear either of 96, 93, or 8. He is probably going to wear 72, which I hate because it reminds me of the hollowed-out, sun-bleached, bootless shadow of Alex Kovalev who wore that number recently for the Penguins. He's still my favorite.
- Johnny Wrath

I don't know the reasoning behind the numbers you chose for Hörnqvist but I'll try to do the same...

I can see Hörnqvist #37, Comeau #12 or 17. Seems like everyone wear those numbers when come to the Pens.

And that my friend is what $$$ brings you.

- Barnaby36

Look, for a guy called Blake and with that 'lookout-here's-Freddy-Krueger' look all about him, she's still done well for herself. At least she hasn't resorted to hooking up with a rich but disgusting and foul moon-calf like Ted Leonsis.

I don't know the reasoning behind the numbers you chose for Hörnqvist but I'll try to do the same...

I can see Hörnqvist #37, Comeau #12 or 17. Seems like everyone wear those numbers when come to the Pens.
- Barnaby36

Hornqvist is a generation later than Holmstrom (96) and Franzen (93), his opposite number as it were for his utility on the ice. Swedes gonna Swede.

8 was Cam Neely.

Ehrhoff going to wear 10. Odd, but not as odd as 19 for Ryan "ice cream fell out of the cone and onto the sidewalk puckhandling display" Whitney.

I played NHL 14 the other day and in a few years, approx 2017-2018 season, Spailing becomes an 84 overall! Book him as a top a 6

Here's a random thought:

I'm almost positive we trade Sutter. We have the depth at center that we don't need to/can't overpay for what Sutter brings to the table, so the question becomes what do we get for him? I think most will agree that simply cap dumping Sutter for middling picks isn't quite satisfying, but when we look at the two teams that look like they could use Sutter the most in Colorado and Edmonton, there's no real way that we can get what we really want, which is a top 6 forward. So I think its time to lay those pipe dreams to rest and think of a way to make a hockey trade out of Sutter that isn't centered around a top 6 winger, but also isn't simply a cap dump. How bout this:

To Avs: Brandon Sutter

To Pittsburgh: Talbot, forward prospect, 3rd

The Avs are one of the most complete teams in hockey. The only thing that they're really missing is a legit 3C. We give them that with Sutter and allows them to comfortably continue to play Ryan O'Reilly and his 6 mil contract as a top 6 right wing instead of 3C which is a major asset mismanagement. In return, we get Talbot, a guy who becomes expendable to the Avs after acquiring Sutter due to center depth. to even out the trade, they give us a 3rd to replace the one we lost, and part with a forward prospect. For the most part, their forward prospects are middling talents, so they can stomach parting with one without feeling like they over payed for an average player in Sutter, especially since Colorado is so deep with youth anyways.

What this does for the Pens: gives us another guy for the bottom 6 on a reasonable contract who can play in various different rolls. The two major points with Talbot would be that he replenishes the center depth lost from trading away Sutter and gives us yet another option to choose from for our bottom 6 center roll, allowing us to boot Spaling to wing if he's not impressing. Secondly, he adds even more strength to the PK. Between Goc, Spaling, Talbot, and Dupuis, our PK core should be strong and deep enough that Adams can permanently start watching games from the press box.

This trade isn't flashy but I think its pretty fair. It provides us with cap relief to take care of signing one more forward, gives us even more flexibility on the bottom 6, makes our PK better, replenishes draft picks, and adds another forward prospect, even if its not a great forward prospect. Good mix of immediate help and future assets which is I think the best case scenario for a Sutter trade.
- Victoro311

I would imagine Talbot being a great addition to the locker room vibe!

Hornqvist is a generation later than Holmstrom (96) and Franzen (93), his opposite number as it were for his utility on the ice. Swedes gonna Swede.

8 was Cam Neely.

Ehrhoff going to wear 10. Odd, but not as odd as 19 for Ryan "ice cream fell out of the cone and onto the sidewalk puckhandling display" Whitney.
- Johnny Wrath

I think Ehrhoff was #10 in San Jose. I've followed his carreer for quite a long time.

F' it, Hörnqvist can be #97. Let him Swede.

8 is my favorite number

I would imagine Talbot being a great addition to the locker room vibe!
- penguins-4-life

Then we package Martin and that 3rd for Jagr, trade Bennett and Despres for Jordan Staal, get Billy G out of retirement. Billy G's leadership will inspire Stephane Richer and Ian Moran to give it another shot.

Then we package Martin and that 3rd for Jagr, trade Bennett and Despres for Jordan Staal, get Billy G out of retirement. Billy G's leadership will inspire Stephane Richer and Ian Moran to give it another shot.
- Johnny Wrath

I see what you did there. I'll always love my #11 jersey, heck, just bring him back

I see what you did there. I'll always love my #11 jersey, heck, just bring him back

- penguins-4-life

And as you well know, you can't have Jagr without Kip Miller.

Shelly Anderson @pgshelly

GM Rutherford said talks with Brandon Sutter "moving in the right direction. By next week we might be able to get something done." #Penguins
5:19 PM - 31 Jul 2014

Rutherford only has $4,230,833 million in cap space to work with – per Cap Geek - and because he’s said to have extended multi-year offers to Sutter already, it gives us the implication he wants to lock him up, which also means a significant salary for the center.

The other issue is that Sutter could be wanting a one-year deal so that he can cash in on a $5 million per season salary next summer. Sutter is probably looking at the other erroneous deals teams have given – like Deryk Engelland‘s $2.9 million a season contract with Calgary – and thinking he can get that. More recently too is the five-year, $25 million deal the New York Rangers gave 26-year-old Derick Brassard – per Cap Geek.

And that my friend is what $$$ brings you.

- Barnaby36

Cool sunglasses?

Hornqvist will get 27 when Adams gets waived. After hearing some of the reports on his locker room attitude, I hope they send him packing at training camp.....before preferably.
- madmike71

You would be more accurate if you said be given a job in the organization. Adams is a glue guy. He was tits in the 08-09 seasons. He is old and simply can't do it anymore, but if you would put his heart and testicular fortitude into guys like Bennett, Megna, Despres(he might be the one with a 2.7-3 year nhl contract) they would far surpass him. I'm hoping Adam Payerl comes in this season as our new younger better Adams. I'm guessing that people with their heads in John Corsi's arse cook up things to make up about players they don't like. Line charts and Pie graphs just don't say it like "hes a bad lockeroom guy''. I'm guessing guys like Crosby and Malkin would say otherwise. I also remember Bill Guerin giving mad props to Adams during the cup run about his lockeroom presence and do whatever it takes attitude. Hornqvist is a class guy from what I have read. He will not even be asking Adams for number 27.

I played NHL 14 the other day and in a few years, approx 2017-2018 season, Spailing becomes an 84 overall! Book him as a top a 6
- penguins-4-life

Haha so basically the same as they rate Kunitz. Impressive.

Seriously, though, seems like plenty of true hockey people think hes no better than Craig Adams. Spaling is not a big hitter, not very fast, mediocre hands, etc. Not that I'm saying his salary is a problem because of this...I guess I just don't see his "upside".

Any of the guys that don't excel at at least one aspect I tend to think less of in terms of upside (D'Agostini, Kobasew, *ahem* Sutter).

Then we package Martin and that 3rd for Jagr, trade Bennett and Despres for Jordan Staal, get Billy G out of retirement. Billy G's leadership will inspire Stephane Richer and Ian Moran to give it another shot.
- Johnny Wrath

MMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

Yikes.

Josh Yohe ‏@JoshYohe_Trib 50m

Spoke with Rutherford earlier today: Said Sutter deal "should be done soon." Called Spaling "very useful." Isn't worried about cap situation

Yikes.

Josh Yohe ‏@JoshYohe_Trib 50m

Spoke with Rutherford earlier today: Said Sutter deal "should be done soon." Called Spaling "very useful." Isn't worried about cap situation
- YouMeAndDupuis9

We're either getting Sutter for a lot cheaper than everyone thinks, or Old Man Ruth has a trade in hand.

Well hopefully. Maybe he's just an ass and we've been fooled into thinking that he is competent by a largely successful off season.

We're either getting Sutter for a lot cheaper than everyone thinks, or Old Man Ruth has a trade in hand.

Well hopefully. Maybe he's just an ass and we've been fooled into thinking that he is competent by a largely successful off season.
- Victoro311

Lets hope its one of the pieces of your first sentence are true. Just actually read a blog about going for a blockbuster deal to get Kane and Byfuglien. It's just one blogger's idea like we all come up with...but it was basically saying we have the resources to make it happen. He didn't cite a specific package deal but said we could use a combination among these guys...Martin, Bennett, try like hell for Scuderi, D prospects, and Matt Murray or Eric Hartzell.

(Personally I would target Ladd or Wheeler before Big Buff)

Lets hope its one of the pieces of your first sentence are true. Just actually read a blog about going for a blockbuster deal to get Kane and Byfuglien. It's just one blogger's idea like we all come up with...but it was basically saying we have the resources to make it happen. He didn't cite a specific package deal but said we could use a combination among these guys...Martin, Bennett, try like hell for Scuderi, D prospects, and Matt Murray or Eric Hartzell.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Ugh. Byfuglien. I think its a no brainer that trading for just Kane is the better idea.

But we wouldn't be able to accomplish that trade unless Martin moved his NTC for the Peg, which he won't, or if we felt comfortable moving Fleury at this juncture and included him in the trade, which we don't. Even then, Peg could probably find a better package.

Ugh. Byfuglien. I think its a no brainer that trading for just Kane is the better idea.

But we wouldn't be able to accomplish that trade unless Martin moved his NTC for the Peg, which he won't, or if we felt comfortable moving Fleury at this juncture and included him in the trade, which we don't. Even then, Peg could probably find a better package.
- Victoro311

Gah always forget about the Martin trade clause. That's like the 9th time I proposed to send him somewhere he wouldn't go. My bad! (well that blogger's fault actually)

In the end, pipe dreams are called pipe dreams for a reason. I just drool over the thought of Sid having a star winger...

Ugh. Byfuglien. I think its a no brainer that trading for just Kane is the better idea.

But we wouldn't be able to accomplish that trade unless Martin moved his NTC for the Peg, which he won't, or if we felt comfortable moving Fleury at this juncture and included him in the trade, which we don't. Even then, Peg could probably find a better package.
- Victoro311

Ladd or Wheeler would fit right in our top 6. We should go for one of them. I personally like Ladd's game and experience..problem is he's their captain. Wheeler would be easier to get IMO. Kane would cost too much

I'm not too upset about this. Had it been over $2.2M then I'd be a little irritated. They settled right around where I thought they would. Rutheford thinks Sutter deal is wrapped up soon. Said he's not overly concerned about cap.

I'm not too upset about this. Had it been over $2.2M then I'd be a little irritated. They settled right around where I thought they would. Rutheford thinks Sutter deal is wrapped up soon. Said he's not overly concerned about cap.
- HopintheCordoba

Hop what do you expect for Sutter's contract? I was thinking 2 years, $3.2M per.

Ladd or Wheeler would fit right in our top 6. We should go for one of them. I personally like Ladd's game and experience..problem is he's their captain. Wheeler would be easier to get IMO. Kane would cost too much
- Barnaby36

What would it take to get Ladd or Wheeler do you think?