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MrBeanTown
Boston Bruins
Location: Garth blogs make me regret my literacy, NF
Joined: 01.31.2012

Jul 31 @ 11:15 AM ET
he's been top 5 in vezina voting twice, and was a finalist once, and would have probably won it running away in the lockout year if he hadn't of missed 10 or so games.

i don't think he belongs in the top 10, but he's a good goalie.

i'm not sure how varlamov isn't on the top 10 list. he's proved AT LEAST as much, if not more, than bishop....and is easily ahead of lehtonen and niemi, IMO.

- sensarmy_11


ya i was thinking2 great seasons... but I think he's on the downward. can't see him being a standout in the years to come, and I thik Lehner will surpass him in OTT sooner than later
BlazinMike
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 05.08.2013

Jul 31 @ 11:15 AM ET
Varlomov definitely should be in the top ten right now. Guys been around for awhile and been good
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 31 @ 11:16 AM ET
Yes, and yes: Niemi says NO!!
- John Jaeckel


Niemi - won one Cup - and he was arguably not all that good against Philadelphia - in the four years since he's been with SJ, has made the conference finals only once.

Just questioning the "proven winner" part - one Cup, but not much else.
sensarmy_11
Location: NS
Joined: 06.01.2009

Jul 31 @ 11:18 AM ET
Where I'm at, vastly underrated by most IMO

Varlamov was/is a strong consideration

- John Jaeckel


i agree that anderson is very underrated......he had a rough year last season, albeit playing in front of a VERY bad defense.

i still don't think he's top 10
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 31 @ 11:20 AM ET
Niemi - won one Cup - and he was arguably not all that good against Philadelphia - in the four years since he's been with SJ, has made the conference finals only once.

Just questioning the "proven winner" part - one Cup, but not much else.

- StLBravesFan


Question all you want. He was phenomenal for the Sharks in the playoffs in 2011, carried them at times. And he was very, very good for the Hawks in 2010. Don't kid yourself.

He's one of those guys, if I need a goalie for one night to win a big game, I take him. It's also part of why I love Anderson, and many of these guys on the list. Competitors.

Nemo's career numbers (regular season)

277 GP 159-77 .916/2.35 27 SO

Pretty strong. Playoff numbers not as good, and he hasn't been as good in the playoffs the last couple of years for sure.
MidnightMarauder
New York Rangers
Location: My own bubble, YT
Joined: 04.02.2007

Jul 31 @ 11:23 AM ET
Henrik Lundqvist can't be ranked #1. I personally would but the lack of a Stanley cup his resume will hinder him.

Quick
Tuukka
Lundqvist
Price
Rinne
Bobrovsky
Lehtonen
Schneider
Varlamov
Bishop

- tomburton99



Hasek was the best goalie in the league between the years of 1997-2001. No cups for him but that didn't take away from his individual greatness.

Same can be said for Lundqvist. No cups on his resume doesn't mean he failed his team and was the cause of his team not winning a title.
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jul 31 @ 11:27 AM ET
I like Lethonen but he's not a top 10 goalie. I would have Schneider up higher on the list too, now that he's the clear #1 he'll shine in New Jersey.
DDM-Coga
Colorado Avalanche
Location: If Chabot is not in the NHL, Ill revoke my account - AlfiesSald, AB
Joined: 07.24.2009

Jul 31 @ 11:30 AM ET
Decent list, tough to rank the top goalies right now once you get to the 6-10 range.

But I agree wtih some of the posts here, if you have Bishop on the list, you need to have Varly. Both have the same track record/length of playing at that high level.

I know Miller had a bad run in St Louis, but how he is not on that list? I would have him over Niemi or Lehtonen.
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 31 @ 11:30 AM ET
An all time goalie list with Brodeur in the 5 spot!! Ha ha ha....He owns all the goaltending records that matter. Where do you come up with this stuff?? Then Niemi and Shneider in the now list......If that's the case, the league is suffering to get better goaltending..
- _diatribe_


Debatable for sure. Do you have to be a utensil?
madduxboy
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: chicago, IL
Joined: 02.08.2010

Jul 31 @ 11:31 AM ET
corey crawford is not in the top10???
John Jaeckel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: www.the-rink.com
Joined: 11.19.2006

Jul 31 @ 11:31 AM ET
corey crawford is not in the top10???
- madduxboy


Close but not there
FourFeathers773
Joined: 12.02.2011

Jul 31 @ 11:31 AM ET
Wont argue too much, but I think Bishop needs another year before anyone can put him in a top 10

He could turn into Steve Mason 2.0 overnight
bluecoconuts
Los Angeles Kings
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Joined: 07.13.2010

Jul 31 @ 11:33 AM ET
I think the best way to determine the "best 10 currently" would be to take the save % from the last 2 years, then give guys credit for making it far in the playoffs or winning cups.
- Erik6Karlsson5


Best way is really just simply to watch. There are goalies that are going to win you tons of regular season games, goalies that are going to win you championships by hitting that second gear when it matters, stats can't really measure that. Look at Quick for example, pretty pedestrian regular season at best, at times shaky in the playoffs (especially first two games which really was a team collapse that killed his stats) but when it mattered, he made the saves and he shut the door. He was lights out in elimination games, in the finals he was lights out, he has that ability when the spotlight shines it's hottest to lock it down, probably better than any other netminder. With the LA defense the quality of shots he faces are usually higher percentage shots as well. However stars won't tell you that, you need to watch. It what makes listing the top 5 or 10 guys that hard, and why there's always so much disagreement.
Peterg
Location: Canada, NS
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 31 @ 11:33 AM ET
I like Lethonen but he's not a top 10 goalie. I would have Schneider up higher on the list too, now that he's the clear #1 he'll shine in New Jersey.
- DarthKane


But he has 21 assists, that is more points than any other goalie playing.
FourFeathers773
Joined: 12.02.2011

Jul 31 @ 11:35 AM ET
Niemi - won one Cup - and he was arguably not all that good against Philadelphia - in the four years since he's been with SJ, has made the conference finals only once.

Just questioning the "proven winner" part - one Cup, but not much else.

- StLBravesFan



Bottom line is Niemi's playoff numbers are pedestrian at BEST

Career .907 playoff sv pct and 2.74 GAA

Has only had one postseason where his sv pct was .915 or above (and it wasnt the cup year when he posted a .910)
Peterg
Location: Canada, NS
Joined: 07.27.2007

Jul 31 @ 11:35 AM ET
Best way is really just simply to watch. There are goalies that are going to win you tons of regular season games, goalies that are going to win you championships by hitting that second gear when it matters, stats can't really measure that. Look at Quick for example, pretty pedestrian regular season at best, at times shaky in the playoffs (especially first two games which really was a team collapse that killed his stats) but when it mattered, he made the saves and he shut the door. He was lights out in elimination games, in the finals he was lights out, he has that ability when the spotlight shines it's hottest to lock it down, probably better than any other netminder. With the LA defense the quality of shots he faces are usually higher percentage shots as well. However stars won't tell you that, you need to watch. It what makes listing the top 5 or 10 guys that hard, and why there's always so much disagreement.
- bluecoconuts


This is why I despise Quick in fantasy hockey. Sure he gets you a few more shutouts, but other weeks he will literally kill your numbers. No consistency game to game it seems.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Jul 31 @ 11:39 AM ET
John Jaeckel: Top 10 Goalies, Now And All-Time
- John Jaeckel

Sorry, John, but any list of top 10 goalies of all time must include George Hainsworth.

No other goalie has altered the game as much as him. He's the reason they allowed the forward pass.
carcus
St Louis Blues
Location: #Winnington
Joined: 02.12.2009

Jul 31 @ 11:41 AM ET
I like Bishop. But he should not be on the top 10 current list yet.

He needs to have at least 1 full year of great play (without missing a bunch of games from injury) as a starter. And some playoff experience as well before getting into the top 10.

He had a top ten season. Not a top ten goalie......Yet.
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 31 @ 11:42 AM ET
Hasek was the best goalie in the league between the years of 1997-2001. No cups for him but that didn't take away from his individual greatness.

Same can be said for Lundqvist. No cups on his resume doesn't mean he failed his team and was the cause of his team not winning a title.

- MidnightMarauder

He hasn't failed, I know that. Without him the Rangers are a fringe playoff team at best. But to the general public that argument of no cups will trump any number of wins, GAA and SP.
lupul4captain
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: woodbridge, ON
Joined: 02.14.2014

Jul 31 @ 11:50 AM ET
where in Bernier on that list
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 31 @ 11:51 AM ET
I love Hank but I'd put him at 2 behind Quick. Quick outplayed him in the finals is the main reason for that. It's more of a 1A and 1B kind of ranking between them.
FourFeathers773
Joined: 12.02.2011

Jul 31 @ 11:55 AM ET
I love Hank but I'd put him at 2 behind Quick. Quick outplayed him in the finals is the main reason for that. It's more of a 1A and 1B kind of ranking between them.
- rangerdanger94


Henrik is no doubt a stud

that being said, my take on him is he will always be a goalie that will steal games here and there and will keep his team in every series with a chance to win

BUT, he has never had the killer instinct where he just went off and robbed the other team blind and won a championship nearly by himself, a-la a JS Giguere, Jonathan Quick, Cam Ward, or Patrick Roy
jake24242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.25.2010

Jul 31 @ 11:55 AM ET
These are so out of order its not even funny.
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 31 @ 11:56 AM ET
As an unbiased fan who had Devin Dubnyk between the pipes for the last while (why isn't he on this list ), I'd take Carey Price as my goaltender over everyone on that list. Put him in Boston, Nashville, LA, etc, I think you see his numbers become even better.

Not that this list is out to lunch or anything, definitely a legitimate way to rank the goalies now.

I also bet you see Bernier creep into this list next year.
wrister
Joined: 12.28.2011

Jul 31 @ 11:57 AM ET
Well done ! I would make some minor changes but overall right on target.
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