I understand, short is pretty prevalent with Habs
- Yeti1181

Not anymore

well, you had about 4 sarcastic responses to me and none of those times did you actually read what I initially said, perhaps next time you'll know better
- jimbro83

Doubt it

We haven't discussed PK's Defensive game yet.
His offense is elite, but his defensive game is no where near elite level.

Hmm, Maybe 5 mil is reasonable for him...

I don't think he is better than Holtby and Pavelec is a stretch, but yes, he is better than whoever is the Oils goalie and yes he is better than sclerosis goaltender.
- soad_live

and Buffalo.

Pavelec is horrible....just brutal really. Holtby??? Well they seemed to be going all out to try and find a replacement for him last year.

Meh...he's a below average starter but a great backup.

Not anymore
- soad_live

It will never change the players will shrink to accommodate.

Edmonton has FAsth and Scrivens who both had pretty good years last year.
- Yeti1181

which is why both were traded to Edmonton

Edmonton has FAsth and Scrivens who both had pretty good years last year.
- Yeti1181

So Reimer is not better than 2 back up goalies?? Is that what you are saying??

and Buffalo.

Pavelec is horrible....just brutal really. Holtby??? Well they seemed to be going all out to try and find a replacement for him last year.

Meh...he's a below average starter but a great backup.
- StormCloud

Howard and Franzen for Kane!

I just don't get how the 7 game Bruins series is one of the best things ever, 2nd best thing to winning the Cup, which is a direct quote, but...

the 6 game series vs the Rangers is a "small sample size"
- jimbro83

You're doing the same thing. You're basing your argument that somehow McDonagh has somehow become "as good" as PK offensively on the MTL-NYR series but fail to explain McDonagh's disappearance in the finals. While McDonagh is better than PK defensively, no way is McDonagh "as good" as PK offensively, totally different skillset and only a handful of players can rush the puck up the ice like PK.

So Reimer is not better than 2 back up goalies?? Is that what you are saying??
- soad_live

depends. right now he is. once traded... no. right storm cloud??

We haven't discussed PK's Defensive game yet.
His offense is elite, but his defensive game is no where near elite level.

Hmm, Maybe 5 mil is reasonable for him...

- StargateSG1

You should be his agent...

I just don't get how the 7 game Bruins series the one of the best things ever, 2nd best thing to winning the Cup, which is a direct quote, but...

the 6 game series vs the Rangers is a "small sample size"
- jimbro83

Alright, let me break it down on the real for you.


Beating the Bruins is the second best thing to winning the cup to Habs fans because we hate Boston. If there's one thing a Habs fan could ask for apart from another Stanley Cup title, its the satisfaction of knowing our team was responsible for decimating the hopes and dreams of the Bruins' and their fans.

The series with Boston doesn't have anything to do with a sample size, or being used to declare how good a given player is.

We are arguing that Subban is better offensively, because he has proven to be since they both came into the league.

Subsequently we argued that stating McDonagh "Has become" as good offensively because he put up better numbers in the 6 game series between the two teams is foolish.

You're doing the same thing. You're basing your argument that somehow McDonagh has somehow become "as good" as PK offensively on the MTL-NYR series but fail to explain McDonagh's disappearance in the finals. While McDonagh is better than PK defensively, no way is McDonagh "as good" as PK offensively, totally different skillset and only a handful of players can rush the puck up the ice like PK.
- habfanforever

McDonagh didn't disappear in the Finals, he had 1 goal and 3 assists in 5 games and had a direct shot off the post in the game 5 overtime.

Kings were an extremely tough team, but McDonagh didn't disappear whatsoever

Edmonton has FAsth and Scrivens who both had pretty good years last year.
- Yeti1181

Scrivens played half his games with LA...pumping up his stats.
Fasth....had a crap year.

We haven't discussed PK's Defensive game yet.
His offense is elite, but his defensive game is no where near elite level.

Hmm, Maybe 5 mil is reasonable for him...

- StargateSG1

Why? There are plenty of players who have a far better skill set at one end of the ice than the other, and make obscene amounts of money.

depends. right now he is. once traded... no. right storm cloud??
- DoubleDown

Yes...well...unless he's traded to Winnipeg.

Then god love the little bible thumper!

So Reimer is not better than 2 back up goalies?? Is that what you are saying??
- soad_live

No I merely stated that those two had good years because we were discussing goaltending in Edmonton and its reasonable to think they will go those two to start. You sir are affected by pre mature posting and may need to see a doctor.

Yep, they all signed their contracts before cap went up, TV deals signed, etc. Figure it out... Crosby is the best player in the league, but guys are going to be making more than him by the time his contract is up.
- NugentHallberle

hawks fans swear Toews is

Alright, let me break it down on the real for you.


Beating the Bruins is the second best thing to winning the cup to Habs fans because we hate Boston. If there's one thing a Habs fan could ask for apart from another Stanley Cup title, its the satisfaction of knowing our team was responsible for decimating the hopes and dreams of the Bruins' and their fans.

The series with Boston doesn't have anything to do with a sample size, or being used to declare how good a given player is.

We are arguing that Subban is better offensively, because he has proven to be since they both came into the league.

Subsequently we argued that stating McDonagh "Has become" as good offensively because he put up better numbers in the 6 game series between the two teams is foolish.
- ehabs9

I' swinging too but I seem to be missing the dead horse.

Alright, let me break it down on the real for you.


Beating the Bruins is the second best thing to winning the cup to Habs fans because we hate Boston. If there's one thing a Habs fan could ask for apart from another Stanley Cup title, its the satisfaction of knowing our team was responsible for decimating the hopes and dreams of the Bruins' and their fans.

The series with Boston doesn't have anything to do with a sample size, or being used to declare how good a given player is.

We are arguing that Subban is better offensively, because he has proven to be since they both came into the league.

Subsequently we argued that stating McDonagh "Has become" as good offensively because he put up better numbers in the 6 game series between the two teams is foolish.
- ehabs9

McDonagh's early career stats wise was stifled by playing under Torts system. He took off offensively all season under Vigneault and will only get better.

10 points in the conference final for McDonagh, 2 points for Subban. It was a monster 6 game sample size for McD no matter how you cut it

Scrivens played half his games with LA...pumping up his stats.
Fasth....had a crap year.
- StormCloud

Scrivens still played really well after coming to Edmonton and Fasth was injured for a lot of it but still played well once coming over. I have always maintain that I thought Scrivens would be better then Reimer over the long run.

McDonagh's early career stats wise was stifled by playing under Torts system. He took off offensively all season under Vigneault and will only get better.

10 points in the conference final for McDonagh, 2 points for Subban. It was a monster 6 game sample size for McD no matter how you cut it
- jimbro83

Do you have any idea who Subban played for before Therrien? Martin makes Torts look like an offensive (frank)ing juggernaut!!!

Do you have any idea who Subban played for before Therrien? Martin makes Torts look like an offensive (frank)ing juggernaut!!!
- ehabs9

Do you have any idea who Subban played for before Therrien? Martin makes Torts look like an offensive (frank)ing juggernaut!!!
- ehabs9

McDonagh never played the powerplay under Torts, Subban has been feasting on the powerplay since his first game in the NHL

I am not saying that is anyone's fault, but you guys are comparing their entire careers offensively, when I am telling you Torts had McDonagh on a total defensive leash and didn't let him go

McDonagh never played the powerplay under Torts, Subban has been feasting on the powerplay since his first game in the NHL

I am not saying that is anyone's fault, but you guys are comparing their entire careers offensively, when I am telling you Torts had McDonagh on a total defensive leash and didn't let him go
- jimbro83

And I'm telling you Martin had Subban (and everyone else on the team) handcuffed to the goal post. I'm sorry but any argument about systems during their first years in the league is a non-factor. Jacques Martin is the Anti-Christ to scoring goals and offensive zone play.