My favourite argument is:

Why don't they just take that $7 million, and sign 3 guys at $2.5 million each to do the same job?
- Atomic Wedgie

hey... so instead of barely missing the playoffs and getting an alright pic we would really miss the playoffs and get franchise players

and it would cost less!

Hopefully someone on another team...
- bixll

DP for PK

hey... so instead of barely missing the playoffs and getting an alright pic we would really miss the playoffs and get franchise players

and it would cost less!
- Dozzer

Worked well for Edmonton and Florida

same place where an inexperienced offensive d-man is a better partner for Phaneuf than a veteran shut-down d-man.
- Feeling Glucky?

alright, but you know me. i don't pick sides

no.. RC isnt that dumb

he's dumb enough to play franson top PP

he's dumb enough to try polak with DP

but he wont.. i have a feeling that Shanny is a bit more involved here than he says he is
- Dozzer

Carlyle vs a toaster and Phaneuf vs a teleprompter, I have my money on the toaster and teleprompter.

Carlyle vs a toaster and Phaneuf vs a teleprompter, I have my money on the toaster and teleprompter.
- LeafMan

is the toaster a GE or a Black and Decker, cause there is a difference

Carlyle vs a toaster and Phaneuf vs a teleprompter, I have my money on the toaster and teleprompter.
- LeafMan

What about Grabovski vs a pineapple?

same place where an inexperienced offensive d-man is a better partner for Phaneuf than a veteran shut-down d-man.
- Feeling Glucky?

Same place a not so good #5 on a very good team can become #2?

same place where an inexperienced offensive d-man is a better partner for Phaneuf than a veteran shut-down d-man.
- Feeling Glucky?

Come on, just because hes a veteran SD dman doesnt mean hes a top 2 guy

It all depends on how pairings play together and how they are going up against certain competition



Beauchemin was a vet shutdown dman too, and we all know how he did in a Leafs jersey.. Same with Komisarek.

Can't really compare Schenn to Rielly. They play two different styles. And Rielly was in the NHL a full year after he was drafted, unlike Schenn who went straight into the lineup.

Can't really compare Schenn to Rielly. They play two different styles. And Rielly was in the NHL a full year after he was drafted, unlike Schenn who went straight into the lineup.
- mykokes

Rielly has the smarts and talent as well.

Can't really compare Schenn to Rielly. They play two different styles. And Rielly was in the NHL a full year after he was drafted, unlike Schenn who went straight into the lineup.
- mykokes

Ones is a smart, quick offensive Dman


The other is a slow, fat, stupid defensive Dman who tries to eat the puck rather than move it

who pairs up with phaneuf?
- Dozzer

he's ssssoooooo gggggoooodddd he doesn't need a d partner.


we'll see on Oct 3rd when they play detroit in the final pre-season game.

Rielly has the smarts and talent as well.
- Woderwick

Kid will be a star in this league.

he's ssssoooooo gggggoooodddd he doesn't need a d partner.


we'll see on Oct 3rd when they play detroit in the final pre-season game.
- zazzle

they tried that last season.

Worked well for Edmonton and Florida
- jbold

both of whom made the post season during the first capped CBA

you know who didnt?

toronto.

Rielly has the smarts and talent as well.
- Woderwick

I actually don't think Luke is dumb at all.....but he did lose a step along the way. Not sure why.

What makes me unafraid of Morgan's sophmore jinx is that he was very sheltered last season to start with and progressively his role grew as the season went on. Morgan is also a fitness nut, like Stamkos like fitness nut. He clearly wants to be the guy. I never got that feeling from Luke.

both of whom made the post season during the first capped CBA

you know who didnt?

toronto.
- Dozzer

How have they done the last 3-4 years?

Signing crappy guys to contracts and missing the playoffs on purpose to get franchise players.

It hasnt worked out for them.

I actually don't think Luke is dumb at all.....but he did lose a step along the way. Not sure why.

What makes me unafraid of Morgan's sophmore jinx is that he was very sheltered last season to start with and progressively his role grew as the season went on. Morgan is also a fitness nut, like Stamkos like fitness nut. He clearly wants to be the guy. I never got that feeling from Luke.
- mykokes

Franson was sheltered during Carlyles first season here. Now look at him

Franson was sheltered during Carlyles first season here. Now look at him
- jbold

Franson was benched his first season here, then sheltered, then exposed.
I don't see the comparison with Rielly....and as Rielly became less and less sheltered, he actually started to produce more.

Come on, just because hes a veteran SD dman doesnt mean hes a top 2 guy

It all depends on how pairings play together and how they are going up against certain competition

Beauchemin was a vet shutdown dman too, and we all know how he did in a Leafs jersey.. Same with Komisarek.
- jbold

Beauchemin wasn't a shut-down guy... and they barely played together.

Komisarek just sucked.

And yea, it's going to be a bit of trial and error to see who fits where.... but lets put it this way, the team, last year, had one guy who deserved to be on a top pairing, or even in a top-4... and that was Phaneuf. Gardiner and Rielly sucked for most of the season, but looked good at the end.

So it's not out of the realm of possibility that one of the guys they brought in steps into that spot.

Beauchemin wasn't a shut-down guy... and they barely played together.


- Feeling Glucky?

Uhhhhh... Yes he was.. And yes they did.

I actually don't think Luke is dumb at all.....but he did lose a step along the way. Not sure why.

What makes me unafraid of Morgan's sophmore jinx is that he was very sheltered last season to start with and progressively his role grew as the season went on. Morgan is also a fitness nut, like Stamkos like fitness nut. He clearly wants to be the guy. I never got that feeling from Luke.
- mykokes

Bulked up like crazy, but didn't focus on his lower body

this is from an article Eric Tulsky did on QoC 2 years ago...fancy stats guy some team has hired..maybe the leafs..dont know

Quality of competition is very similar to shot quality: it plays a huge role in individual shifts/shots, but over the course of a season the differences across teams and players are small enough that it can usually be neglected.

These competition metrics provide valuable insight into what a coach thinks of a player and how he tries to use them, but in practice they do not show differences large enough to have significant impact on the player’s results.

Carlyle vs a toaster and Phaneuf vs a teleprompter, I have my money on the toaster and teleprompter.
- LeafMan