PK wanted 5/25. And say Montreal signs him 8 years now.
That means the first 3 years Montreal pays more but that they save over the last 5, when PK is in his prime. The people who laugh at Montreal don't realize that he'd be a UFA in 3 years.
- DoubleDown

It all depends on what he signs for, but your position on this falls apart if he gets UFA money now, instead of 3 years from now.

I think most of us expect that he will get ufa money now, without even the benefit of 3 more years to assess.

heh heh Clitsome

that's terrible

I want Franson traded, but he does have value, and its more than Clitsome.
- Badge

I don't think Franson is near as bad as a large portion of our fanbase makes him out to be. Our team was so late to every loose puck, was often out worked and muscled in puck battles, had no concept of a team defensive plan or cohesion. Guys like Gards and Rielly got free passes on account of low salaries, youth and inexperience/potential but everyone looked brutal last year.

I want to keep Riemer. I believe he is a good goalie and will bounce back. Plus with the options of what is available to replace him with....I don't think we should be giving him away.

Im going to google Clitsnatch now and report back.

Not greater than a 2nd, would you agree?
- BetterCallSaul

The Gorges deal kind of set Franson's value as a second. I think if the Leafs are to trade him it would have to be a hockey trade, we are looking for someone to play the left side with Dion potentially who is a defence first kind of player.
I've been thinking about it for the past few days but nobodies popped into my head from another team that makes sense. Any ideas?

but you are assuming montreal signs him for 8. PK wanted 5/25, but the habs werent gonna bring him right to UFA. Maybe they woulda wanted 6/30 or 7/35.
The habs are gonna lose in the neighborhood of 4 million cap per year (for the next 3 years), by not signing PK long term earlier. How much do you honestly think they save over the duration of the contract with him making close to 9?

edit: this also assumes Subban is a greedy d-bag. Kessel signed long term for 8 per when facing UFA. The habs fans that argue Bergevin will save them money in the long run, are expecting Subban to have demanded 12 million, when faced with UFA
- GardinerExpress

You're correct about PK not signing for 8. If that's the case, ouch. I'm assuming he will. Could Montreal have signed him for 8 years 2 years ago? Sure. But let's remember that this is pre-Norris PK. He's a far better, more complete player now that he was 2 years ago. Signing him 8 years (assuming he wanted that) would have been a huge leap of faith. You see that very very rarely.

Or we can let Reimer play a few games, and if he played like he did at the start of last year, we can move him for much more (or keep him)
why does everyone wanna move the guy when he is at an all time low in value?
This is not like the Luongo situation with a backup with a huge contract and ego.
Reimer is making 2.3, which is reasonable considering Bernier also makes less than 3
- GardinerExpress

I think there's a lot of sugar coating going on with the Reimer situation. He's not happy. Playin it off like he wants to be back. I don't mind him but truth is goalies are never a premium return. His value never gets better than a 2nd imo

I hope so. The PK in the shortened season was really good, which was bizarre for a Leafs fan after the Ron Wilson teams. Then last year it was down at the bottom again. If these changes even get the PK back to the middle of the pack that would could be the difference in making the playoffs.
- Zezel

Last year the PK failed us, simple as that. I think it was the first wheel to fall off if my memory serves me right. We don't have to be top 10 in the league but we sure as hell can't be bottom 10.

I really didn't want to get hung up over this, I put him in there because there isn't an obvious player whose going to play on the top pairing. I honestly don't know if he's going to be in a Leaf uniform come September.

With that being said; sure I'll take the argument.
Franson is a better hockey player than Gunnarsson, before last season which was Franson's worst defensive year he played his best defensive year. When I evaluate players I don't look at only their most recent work but over a greater span of time.
Dion and Franson have played together on the PP and perhaps they would like them to play together outside of that so they develop better chemistry and we don't have any more back to back short handed goals on the same PP.
Perhaps they would like to boost Franson's value for a midseason trade.

Again, I don't honestly think Franson is going to play on the top pairing, but if you want to focus on it, then fine, I'd like to hear your counter argument.
- MapleLeafsFTW

before last year he played sheltered bottom pairing minutes against 3rd and 4th lines. That's why he appeared "better defensively"
He did not play worse last season, he played against better players, and got abused... handily.
If he were to play against the level of competition Phaneuf plays shift to shift, he'd be approaching triple digit minus status.

Franson is ONLY better than Gunnarson at putting a snap shot on net. He puts up points, but over half his points are on the PP the last 2 seasons.

He is simply NOT capable of top pairing minutes.

First ..

Most nights ended with someone banned, usually him. Had my fair share too.
- systemtool

I have never been banned.

Stroman's dad seems like a good man.

You're correct about PK not signing for 8. If that's the case, ouch. I'm assuming he will. Could Montreal have signed him for 8 years 2 years ago? Sure. But let's remember that this is pre-Norris PK. He's a far better, more complete player now that he was 2 years ago. Signing him 8 years (assuming he wanted that) would have been a huge leap of faith. You see that very very rarely.
- DoubleDown

This is what actuaries do, not posters on HB.

I have never been banned.
- Aetherial

Twinkletoed wussy

I have never been banned.
- Aetherial

I was banned once, and none of the refs I spoke with said it was them. The post I was banned for was pretty tame too.

It all depends on what he signs for, but your position on this falls apart if he gets UFA money now, instead of 3 years from now.

I think most of us expect that he will get ufa money now, without even the benefit of 3 more years to assess.
- Aetherial

shhh let thim think they woulda had to sign Subban for 12 per if he was UFA, because no one takes a reasonable deal to stay with their team (ie Kessel)

You're correct about PK not signing for 8. If that's the case, ouch. I'm assuming he will. Could Montreal have signed him for 8 years 2 years ago? Sure. But let's remember that this is pre-Norris PK. He's a far better, more complete player now that he was 2 years ago. Signing him 8 years (assuming he wanted that) would have been a huge leap of faith. You see that very very rarely.
- DoubleDown

You can't blame Montreal for not wanting to pull the trigger long term on PK at the time. Especially considering the Gomez fiasco.

If they had made a deal like that then it would be paying off for them now, but it also would have been a huge risk. Now, they have a larger sample size and and although they have to pay more they are also more sure. It's the contract games right.

This Gardiner deal could end up being horrible if he gets into injury problems or doesn't fan out. But I am happy with it and am pretty confident it's going to pay off for us.

Not greater than a 2nd, would you agree?
- BetterCallSaul

ya more than a 2nd but not a 1st... like a 2nd and a 3rd kinda thing.

I was banned once, and none of the refs I spoke with said it was them. The post I was banned for was pretty tame too.
- BetterCallSaul

I got banned for simply LOL-ing at a guy on the nucks thread who said something like "lets face it, without the injuries this is a playoff team" .

I was banned once, and none of the refs I spoke with said it was them. The post I was banned for was pretty tame too.
- BetterCallSaul

I think ive been banned 100 times.

I was banned once, and none of the refs I spoke with said it was them. The post I was banned for was pretty tame too.
- BetterCallSaul

One more week for questioning their authority

I was banned once, and none of the refs I spoke with said it was them. The post I was banned for was pretty tame too.
- BetterCallSaul

Hockeybuzz tried to ban me




Once

You can't blame Montreal for not wanting to pull the trigger long term on PK at the time. Especially considering the Gomez fiasco.

If they had made a deal like that then it would be paying off for them now, but it also would have been a huge risk. Now, they have a larger sample size and and although they have to pay more they are also more sure. It's the contract games right.

This Gardiner deal could end up being horrible if he gets into injury problems or doesn't fan out. But I am happy with it and am pretty confident it's going to pay off for us.
- MapleLeafsFTW

Bergevin was a bit of a d*ck though and lowballed PK. He might have saved about 1.5 total, but I doubt PK has forgotten having to hold on and then take a contract way under value

One more week for questioning their authority
- lumlums

What happens in a week?

I don't agree - hoping I'm wrong

I think he's terrible defensively and that's his position

I will be cheering like a mofo and hope he improves with some more stable D around him


- Garnie

Ah phaneuf. I understand your anger

I got banned for simply LOL-ing at a guy on the nucks thread who said something like "lets face it, without the injuries this is a playoff team" .
- GardinerExpress

Micah is very ban happy.


Especially against Leaf fans.


I got a few days if I recall for posting this: