CapGeek has them listed at $6.43M right now. A little better but, yes, it's still tight if both of them are overpaid.
- HopintheCordoba

I was accounting for the $1M cushion for deadline additions...then again, that was Ray's thing.

I said this yesterday but does anyone else (beisdes Victoro) like this idea?

Trade Sutter to EDM for Moroz
Sign Mueller for $700k
Sign Gooch for $1M.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

If we trade sutter to edm I want either yak or sutter+samuelsson for perron... and as for mueller he just signed with blues... so your late on that... seto for 1 yr at 1mil is fine by me

Wouldn't mind seeing the Pens go after Frolik next offseason. It doesn't seem like he wants to stay with the Jets after next season, where he will be a UFA. He would be a good winger for Sid.

wow..so Booth wanted to become a Pen but we were not interested. Signs with the Leafs. Mueller signing a two-way deal is very odd. I'd take him for $0.7/one-way deal.

We are running out of free agents.. Setoguchi can still be had for cheap. How about Penner and his lazy a$$?

2 way deal.. wow.. wonder if seto would do a 2 way deal.. that would be perfect bc bennett isn't starting the season...
- nh4442

I literally almost posted a question early to you guys on whether or not Mueller or Seto would take a two way deal. Then I didn't say anything for fear of being laughed at. Now I see Mueller signed a 2-way deal. Wow. Pissed. Thats the kind of risk taking we need to take. Any low risk/high reward forwards we can possibly attain, should happen. This was a missed oppotunity IMO.

Honest question here: Is Nick Spaling better than Booth, Mueller, Winnik, Setoguchi, Santorelli?

I don't get it. All these players signed for cheap, something we won't be seeing with Spaling's new deal ($2M+). That's not good value in my eyes.

I'm starting not to like this guy that much. He'll have to be a new Matt Cooke/Jarkko Ruutu for me to fall in love with this guy's game.

Honest question here: Is Nick Spaling better than Booth, Mueller, Winnik, Setoguchi, Santorelli?

I don't get it. All these players signed for cheap, something we won't be seeing with Spaling's new deal ($2M+). That's not good value in my eyes.

I'm starting not to like this guy that much. He'll have to be a new Matt Cooke/Jarkko Ruutu for me to fall in love with this guy's game.
- Orpik44

All those guys come with some risks but we could probably sign 4 of them for the price of Sutter and Spaling. Mueller in particular should have gotten an offer from us. Theres literally no risk in having a potential good player on a 2 way deal.

Sutter and Spaling will be paid more based solely on age and being "more of a sure thing".

I think there is better value with the UFA guys, but ultimately if both Sutter and Spaling fit under the cap, we can't get too upset.

This is dragging on too long, no Pens news for about 3 weeks other than the F prospect group sucks. I didn't realize Spaling was going through arbitration. Kinda sucks.

This is dragging on too long, no Pens news for about 3 weeks other than the F prospect group sucks. I didn't realize Spaling was going through arbitration. Kinda sucks.
- sammy87

sammy what's your answer for my question a couple posts above?

It does suck

wow..so Booth wanted to become a Pen but we were not interested. Signs with the Leafs. Mueller signing a two-way deal is very odd. I'd take him for $0.7/one-way deal.

We are running out of free agents.. Setoguchi can still be had for cheap. How about Penner and his lazy a$$?
- Orpik44

Booth is garbage. Not too broken up about him, although at 1 mil its pretty low risk. Mueller kinda stings. Please, Old Man Ruth, lets scoop up the Gooch. If nothing else, its insurance and I won't be constantly paranoid about our top 6 guys getting injured. We have a good bottom six now, but if one of our top 6 guys gets hurt (which one of them will) we'll be in trouble, and if two get hurt we are in dire straights. We need to sign or trade for a guy that at least has a marginal ability to skate with the top 6 as insurance. Setoguchi can be that guy for cheap.

Booth is garbage. Not too broken up about him, although at 1 mil its pretty low risk. Mueller kinda stings. Please, Old Man Ruth, lets scoop up the Gooch. If nothing else, its insurance and I won't be constantly paranoid about our top 6 guys getting injured. We have a good bottom six now, but if one of our top 6 guys gets hurt (which one of them will) we'll be in trouble, and if two get hurt we are in dire straights. We need to sign or trade for a guy that at least has a marginal ability to skate with the top 6 as insurance. Setoguchi can be that guy for cheap.
- Victoro311

Setoguchi strikes to me as a guy who doesn't have top speed or very good work ethic. Reminds me a lot of Kobasew but with a better pedigree. Inspite of that, I'd sign him for a low amount.

sammy what's your answer for my question a couple posts above?

It does suck
- Orpik44

If you're assuming we drop Sutter and Spaling for Booth, Mueller and Winnik, Santo and Seto?

I know nothing of Winnik and Santo. That being said I don't think the Pens have roster space for all of them? Seto does nothing for me, he never has and I always thought he was slow. I think he struggles as a Pen. Booth, well someone on HB said it best, hes 1 head shot away from blowing bubbles in his mash potatoes. If I knew his health was ok, I would have given him a shot like TOR did. Mueller is the only 1 I think could really fit on this roster.

Who knows, perhaps JR has pushed off Spaling until he knows what Sutter wants. I am sure there is more to the story than what we know. I do think that Sutter and Martin both will not be Pens start of the season. 1 will be gone.

If you're assuming we drop Sutter and Spaling for Booth, Mueller and Winnik, Santo and Seto?

I know nothing of Winnik and Santo. That being said I don't think the Pens have roster space for all of them? Seto does nothing for me, he never has and I always thought he was slow. I think he struggles as a Pen. Booth, well someone on HB said it best, hes 1 head shot away from blowing bubbles in his mash potatoes. If I knew his health was ok, I would have given him a shot like TOR did. Mueller is the only 1 I think could really fit on this roster.

Who knows, perhaps JR has pushed off Spaling until he knows what Sutter wants. I am sure there is more to the story than what we know. I do think that Sutter and Martin both will not be Pens start of the season. 1 will be gone.
- sammy87

Interesting. I just wanted to know if Spaling is twice better than Winnik, Santorelli, Booth, Mueller or Setoguchi (because he's going to get double the money those guys took).

Ryan just tweeted this but another article on Hayes..."Agent: Kevin Hayes unlikely to sign"

Give him a call. Tell him theres an open spot next to Crosby. Then give him a two way deal haha.

Ryan just tweeted this but another article on Hayes..."Agent: Kevin Hayes unlikely to sign"

Give him a call. Tell him theres an open spot next to Crosby. Then give him a two way deal haha.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't know anything about Hayes. Is he good?

Ryan just tweeted this but another article on Hayes..."Agent: Kevin Hayes unlikely to sign"

Give him a call. Tell him theres an open spot next to Crosby. Then give him a two way deal haha.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

So is Spaling going to be the Craig Adams of this season? You know hes going to play the next game but you all still say "Spaling should sit for Megna!" Well I guess there is still a chance Adams is in the lineup this year so he might be safe for now.

Ryan just tweeted this but another article on Hayes..."Agent: Kevin Hayes unlikely to sign"

Give him a call. Tell him theres an open spot next to Crosby. Then give him a two way deal haha.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

http://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/541509

Avs, Bruins, and Pens are the front runners. Let the games begin

I don't know anything about Hayes. Is he good?
- Orpik44

Had a pretty long post about this a few blogs back, but here are the scores and highlights:

1) Did well in a very good Boston College program for 4 years, so he comes fairly well developed although a year in the AHL may do him good. He'll be an immediate call up front runner though.

2) He has good size and has the potential to improve in that department further.

3) Had a very very good year last year and skated on a monster line that was unparalleled by any other in the NCAA last season. His linemate was Johnny Hockey, who was the best player in the NCAA last season. The point is that he's had experience skating with and playing a supporting roll to his league's best, a situation which he will be inserted to in the Penguins' top 6. He's been there before and that's good.

4) I only saw him play once, but it was at Frozen Fenway, and he more than passed the eye test during one of #CawlidgeHawkey's most high profile games of the season against a high caliber opponent in Notre Dame (and no that's not just me being a homer. Think every time the Pens play the Flyers and you got BC vs ND). His line dominated all throughout.

Bottom line: yes. The kid is good. Seeing how our top 6 forward prospects are nonexistent we have absolutely zero excuse for not pursuing this guy with the same enthusiasm that Ed, Edd, and Eddy would a jaw breaker (where my 90s kids homies at?).

Had a pretty long post about this a few blogs back, but here are the scores and highlights:

1) Did well in a very good Boston College program for 4 years, so he comes fairly well developed although a year in the AHL may do him good. He'll be an immediate call up front runner though.

2) He has good size and has the potential to improve in that department further.

3) Had a very very good year last year and skated on a monster line that was unparalleled by any other in the NCAA last season. His linemate was Johnny Hockey, who was the best player in the NCAA last season. The point is that he's had experience skating with and playing a supporting roll to his league's best, a situation which he will be inserted to in the Penguins' top 6. He's been there before and that's good.

4) I only saw him play once, but it was at Frozen Fenway, and he more than passed the eye test during one of #CawlidgeHawkey's most high profile games of the season against a high caliber opponent in Notre Dame (and no that's not just me being a homer. Think every time the Pens play the Flyers and you got BC vs ND). His line dominated all throughout.

Bottom line: yes. The kid is good. Seeing how our top 6 forward prospects are nonexistent we have absolutely zero excuse for not pursuing this guy with the same enthusiasm that Ed, Edd, and Eddy would a jaw breaker (where my 90s kids homies at?).
- Victoro311

You would think the Pens would be near the top of the list for the kid. Lots of room in the organization for good forward prospects. He could find himself playing beside one of the best two centers in the world in no time. It's a no-brainer for both parties.

You would think the Pens would be near the top of the list for the kid. Lots of room in the organization for good forward prospects. He could find himself playing beside one of the best two centers in the world in no time. It's a no-brainer for both parties.
- madmike71

I'm thinking the exact same thing. Chi is still a better overall team than Pitt despite their looming implosion which can technically be avoided with some crafty maneuvering and convincing Hossa that retirement is for little girls and pagans, so by not signing with them he has made it explicitly clear that at this point his primary objective is to play and that being part of a contending program is second.

So lets look at the "front runners".

The Avs have a pretty complete roster as is. After those vet signings/trades he's gonna find it very hard to crack the roster.

I get how this would be appealing for the Bs. They're against the cap and Hayes will be a cheap forward that they can have on their roster to fill out one of the spots. The problem here is that the Bs never traded Marchand, so there's not really a hole in their top 6, or really top 9 for that matter, which is what Hayes is really suited for. Its conceivable that they still trade Marchand, but the Bs won't just salary dump his contract because an unproven Hayes has joined the frey. That's far too risky and since the Bs are pretty set on defense, a Marchand trade will probably include his replacement coming back to Boston. Sure, there's the added bonus that Hayes went to BC, but I don't know how much that will come into play. It could be huge, it could be a non factor, or it could be somewhere in between. We just won't know unless Hayes says something about it, so its not even worth the speculation.

And the Pens. I'm not gonna go into our hole at the top 6 and our prospect pool because it will spark one of three things: agreement, more pipe dreams about Kapanen getting a roster spot out of camp, or another debate about Pascal Dupuis. As a conglomerate, we've gone over all of these things, and you know where you stand on the issue. Me personally, I think there's a massive hole that Hayes will get every opportunity to fill from the very beginning as a Pen, and if not he'll be very close to next in line. Not only does he get to jump the prospect pool in Pittsburgh, but he has the added bonus of still being with a contender. Not to mention that his two potential line mates are the two best in the world. Kid would be a fool not to sign here.

I have a feeling that our only real threat is Florida. That franchise is the definition of mediocre so he'll have every opportunity to jump the prospect pool as much as he would in Pitt. It'll come down to whether he wants to play for a contender, or play with his brother in beautiful weather.

I don't know anything about Hayes. Is he good?
- Orpik44

Hayes played on the best line in college hockey last year and probably the second best line of any college team I've seen live over the years. He is a good player.

Hayes played on the best line in college hockey last year and probably the second best line of any college team I've seen live over the years. He is a good player.
- Oneonta Penguin

Really the only reservation is that he didn't quite impress his first three seasons and didn't break out until his line mates (most notably Johnny Hockey) elevated his play. To be fare though, he's not gonna be asked to be the guy in Pitt either and he'll be in a very similar situation of playing second fiddle to more talented linemates.

Hayes played on the best line in college hockey last year and probably the second best line of any college team I've seen live over the years. He is a good player.
- Oneonta Penguin

Hes 1-2 years out still, but he wants to be an NHL player now, anyone who has him in their Top 6 to start the year will be in a world of hurt. He needs at least that 1 season of the AHL to develop to the professional Game

Hayes played on the best line in college hockey last year and probably the second best line of any college team I've seen live over the years. He is a good player.
- Oneonta Penguin

Victoro311 talked so much about him that I'm sold on the kid. Seems like a possible top 6 player on the making. Sign me up.