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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Jul 29 @ 2:25 PM ET
Rumors are a 1 year 1 mil contract for Ville.

1.5 mil for just for his beard.

- 77rams


That beard could cut diamonds.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 2:26 PM ET
I would say it's more neutral zone play and transition
- PhillySportsGuy



So you think that Akeson is going to be a strong player positionally defensively. And is going to be strong on the back check, and strong on the puck in puck battles and with takeaways. And then use his speed and puck skills to transition the puck the other way? Because that's what neutral zone and transition play is!
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Jul 29 @ 2:30 PM ET
Save our $$ for august 16th. Take a stab at getting Hayes.
- moylander

Isaac Hayes...Shaft
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 29 @ 2:38 PM ET
So you think that Akeson is going to be a strong player positionally defensively. And is going to be strong on the back check, and strong on the puck in puck battles and with takeaways. And then use his speed and puck skills to transition the puck the other way? Because that's what neutral zone and transition play is!
- MJL


His vision and ability to move the puck quickly and hit a player in stride is an asset that I believe can help the transition game.

In the brief time I saw him play, I didn't notice a huge problem with his defense and lack of physicality. I'm sure it will creep up the more I see him, but I don't think we should assume he's Zherdev out there. If he's just adequate in those other areas, it will likely be enough to make him a net positive for the team.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 29 @ 2:38 PM ET
So you think that Akeson is going to be a strong player positionally () defensively. And is going to be strong on the back check, and strong on the puck in puck battles and with takeaways (). And then use his speed and puck skills to transition the puck () the other way? Because that's what neutral zone and transition play is!
- MJL




(add 'makes consistently good reads' in there, too.)
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Jul 29 @ 2:52 PM ET
Isaac Hayes...Shaft
- vejim


Von Hayes. 5 for 1.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 29 @ 2:53 PM ET
Yup, that would be a nice improvement.
- wolfhounds


Know what else would be an improvement?

1. TRADE FOR BOB RYAB FIST!
2. TRADE FOR SHEA WEBER; MORIN, READ, HAGG, AND A 1ST SHOULD DO IT!
3. TRADE EVERYONE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
4. FIRE HOMER!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 2:54 PM ET
His vision and ability to move the puck quickly and hit a player in stride is an asset that I believe can help the transition game.

In the brief time I saw him play, I didn't notice a huge problem with his defense and lack of physicality. I'm sure it will creep up the more I see him, but I don't think we should assume he's Zherdev out there. If he's just adequate in those other areas, it will likely be enough to make him a net positive for the team.

- PhillySportsGuy



He definitely has puck skills and can make a pass. But that's going to happen how many times a game? I agree I don't think we should assume anything about him. Including being a srong neutral zone and transitional player.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 29 @ 2:54 PM ET
What is the dimension that he adds that the team sorely needs, if it's not offense?
I'd like to see him have a chance and stick with the team if he earns it.

- MJL


Time travel
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 29 @ 2:54 PM ET
Know what else would be an improvement?

1. TRADE FOR BOB RYAB FIST!
2. TRADE FOR SHEA WEBER; MORIN, READ, HAGG, AND A 1ST SHOULD DO IT!
3. TRADE EVERYONE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
4. FIRE HOMER!

- jmatchett383

I don't care what other people say about you, you're aces in my book
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 29 @ 2:55 PM ET
I don't care what other people say about you, you're aces in my book
- coffee junkie


They're all right. Especially all the ladies who start to sob uncontrollably at the mention of me.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Jul 29 @ 2:55 PM ET
What's the general vibe on Leino?
leon neon
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: GA
Joined: 02.16.2009

Jul 29 @ 2:55 PM ET


But hey keep sending Rinaldo out there to take one undisciplined penalty after another. A big factor in Rinaldo throwing so many hits is when he's on the ice, his team never has possession of the puck. Both Rinaldo and Rosehill are both wastes of cap space and contract slots.

- PLindbergh31


The Flyers NEED an agitator. This role has a fine line between good and bad (a good agitator is undervalue characteristic). Rinaldo is still gaining experience. Rinaldo has improved in his "agitators +/-", ie. the amount of penalties drawn and taken. He improved penalties taken; 2011-12 was 232, and 2013-14 was 153. Last year, it seemed to have drawn a lot of penalties (records are not kept for this one). I don't care if he takes an occasional penalty, if he's not then he's not doing his job. The penalty should be well placed, nothing like rev'in up a team who's down a goal with a good hit or hope for a retaliation penalty.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 29 @ 2:55 PM ET
What's the general vibe on Leino?
- coffee junkie


Skates. Has eyes.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 29 @ 2:57 PM ET
The Flyers NEED an agitator. This role has a fine line between good and bad (a good agitator is undervalue characteristic). Rinaldo is still gaining experience. Rinaldo has improved in his "agitators +/-", ie. the amount of penalties drawn and taken. He improved penalties taken; 2011-12 was 232, and 2013-14 was 153. Last year, it seemed to have drawn a lot of penalties (records are not kept for this one). I don't care if he takes an occasional penalty, if he's not then he's not doing his job. The penalty should be well placed, nothing like rev'in up a team who's down a goal with a good hit or hope for a retaliation penalty.
- leon neon


Rinaldo, to me, is too loose of a cannon. If he's out there hitting and getting on teams' nerves, that's fine. But for every 5 good things he does, he does something ridiculous like jumping Roussell or taking an unnecessary head shot at that guy on Buffalo. He's quite the liability, and with things as close as they are, his stupid penalties can be the difference in 2-3 games that cost us a playoff spot.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 29 @ 2:58 PM ET
He definitely has puck skills and can make a pass. But that's going to happen how many times a game? I agree I don't think we should assume anything about him. Including being a strong neutral zone and transitional player.
- MJL


I know. That's why I preface my statements with I believe or I think
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 2:58 PM ET


(add 'makes consistently good reads' in there, too.)

- Tomahawk



Here's the deal I see with Akeson. I think he has obvious offensive ability and has good hands and can make a play offensively with the puck if he has it in the right spots. And I think he has a nose for the puck. And sometimes a player is a diamond in the rough, and can just play. Regardless of what the scouts think. Akeson could be one of those players. And it's a possibility. But that's a long shot. But it's far more likely that the reality is that his offensive ability is what is going to punch his ticket to the NHL, if he can produce at a decent level, and hold his own in other areas and not be a liability. But I think the odds are greatly stacked against him to become a regular NHL players based on his all around game, or his play away from the puck. That's not his strong suit or what's going to keep him in the NHL most likely. But we'll see.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Jul 29 @ 2:58 PM ET
Know what else would be an improvement?

1. TRADE FOR BOB RYAB FIST!
2. TRADE FOR SHEA WEBER; MORIN, READ, HAGG, AND A 1ST SHOULD DO IT!
3. TRADE EVERYONE FOR SOMEONE ELSE
4. FIRE HOMER!

- jmatchett383


I guess we're working backwards
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Jul 29 @ 2:59 PM ET
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- jmatchett383


A Knights Tale thanks you.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 29 @ 3:00 PM ET
Here's the deal I see with Akeson. I think he has obvious offensive ability and has good hands and can make a play offensively with the puck if he has it in the right spots. And I think he has a nose for the puck. And sometimes a player is a diamond in the rough, and can just play. Regardless of what the scouts think. Akeson could be one of those players. And it's a possibility. But that's a long shot. But it's far more likely that the reality is that his offensive ability is what is going to punch his ticket to the NHL, if he can produce at a decent level, and hold his own in other areas and not be a liability. But I think the odds are greatly stacked against him to become a regular NHL players based on his all around game, or his play away from the puck. That's not his strong suit or what's going to keep him in the NHL most likely. But we'll see.
- MJL


Prior to actually seeing him, I'd agree. We were all informed of his deficiencies/shortcomings. But from what I've seen, those have been unfounded. Granted, it's a small sample size, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt until I'm proven wrong.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Jul 29 @ 3:01 PM ET
I guess we're working backwards
- PhillySportsGuy


Trading for Mr. Fist is not backwards at all. That's like 900 steps forward.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 3:01 PM ET
I know. That's why I preface my statements with I believe or I think
- PhillySportsGuy


It's hard because there is such a small sample size. But to compare take a player like Raffle. He's fast and strong on the puck. He can pressure the puck in all 3 zones. And he's sound defensively, and in puck battles. I don't see the same with Akeson. I see better offensive instincts, and better hands, but not the all around game that Raffl has. That's what you're describing as a strenght of Akeson. That's what playing away from the puck is about. All those aspects that I described. Akeson didn't show that as a strenght. He showed that he can be adequate, but not the level that Raffl displayed. So what's going to be the difference maker for Akeson? His ability to produce points at the NHL level.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Jul 29 @ 3:02 PM ET
The Flyers NEED an agitator. This role has a fine line between good and bad (a good agitator is undervalue characteristic). Rinaldo is still gaining experience. Rinaldo has improved in his "agitators +/-", ie. the amount of penalties drawn and taken. He improved penalties taken; 2011-12 was 232, and 2013-14 was 153. Last year, it seemed to have drawn a lot of penalties (records are not kept for this one). I don't care if he takes an occasional penalty, if he's not then he's not doing his job. The penalty should be well placed, nothing like rev'in up a team who's down a goal with a good hit or hope for a retaliation penalty.
- leon neon



Rinaldo took 42 penalties (in about 515 minutes of total ice time ) and only drew 28. He had 4 points and was -13.

No team needs a player like that. Unless they are tanking.
Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jul 29 @ 3:02 PM ET
Skates. Has eyes.
- jmatchett383


This one could be debated based on the last couple of seasons
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 29 @ 3:03 PM ET
Prior to actually seeing him, I'd agree. We were all informed of his deficiencies/shortcomings. But from what I've seen, those have been unfounded. Granted, it's a small sample size, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt until I'm proven wrong.
- jmatchett383



I don't think that he was a liability out there. But his all around game wasn't strong enough to keep him in the NHL if he doesn't produce offensively. If he can't produce offensively at the NHL level, his all around game and play away from the puck is going to have to get better to stay there.
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