who cares...I'd rather not know...just be nice getting some scoop regardless if it comes to be factual or if the deal falls apart.

better than arguing over Phaneuf/Gardiner/Franson skills all day
- Garnie

Absolutely

Edit: It could work both ways. He could take our proposals to management. Bit of give and take.

If you are going to pout....you should probably hold out longer than 3 minutes.

You should talk to my wife....she knows how to play the silent treatment game.
- yemrots

She wasn't that quiet the last time I saw her.

If you are going to pout....you should probably hold out longer than 3 minutes.

You should talk to my wife....she knows how to play the silent treatment game.
- yemrots

If you think MacArthur doesnt have grit, than you're simply just wrong.
- jbold

He doesn't quit, but he's weak.

I'm laughing at using hits as a measure for "grittiness"... when the stat is subjective and wildly inaccurate.

Here's the deal:

Reimer and Franson for Clitsome and a 2nd or 3rd rounder provided they (the jets) get him off the LTIR.

The deal gives the leafs $5 million in cap relief, bring in a stay at home D man that they can either re-sign or let go in a season, it also allows them to continue talks with Broduer and Thomas at $1 million 1 year deal. That leaves the leafs $4 million in more cap relief which they want to target a bigger name D man from 1 of the several teams that will start the season over the cap or right up against it. Oduya is 1 of the d-men they are looking at as well but wont target him without extra $$$ behind them.
The deal also gives the leafs a 2nd rounder or 3rd that may be as high as 35 coming from the Jets. They are going to sign these 1 year deals to make the players earn a spot on this team while developing their younger players via the marlies/ohl etc. This is the winning formula in their eyes and I agree.

They do not want to deal with Franson or his agent moving forward and will never sign him again so dealing him for Clitsome (a guy who stays at home and blocks shot) is the best return they will get. Reimer fetched a 3rd rounder by the Blue Jackets and that's the best offer they had so the 2nd coming back from the Jets would be significant. Reimer doesn't want to be here, and the leafs don't see him as a #1 goalie...the jets do. that's why they signed him to a 2 year deal, that was part of the contingency coming from the Jets
Kyle Dubas lives by the book " the extra 2%" which is a business orientated book about the Tampa Bay Rays....pretty good read.
- Kinggilmour

Here's the deal:

Reimer and Franson for Clitsome and a 2nd or 3rd rounder provided they (the jets) get him off the LTIR.


- Kinggilmour

this does not sound like a good deal
esp when you mention MB or Thomas as backups

this does not sound like a good deal
esp when you mention MB or Thomas as backups
- senstroll

couldn't be any worse than our backup last year

Remember that Anaheim poster on the golf course that broke the Lupul/Gardiner trade?

You (frank)ing twits will never learn.

Damn you Wedgehole.

I love you KingDougie.

Here's the deal:

Reimer and Franson for Clitsome and a 2nd or 3rd rounder provided they (the jets) get him off the LTIR.

The deal gives the leafs $5 million in cap relief, bring in a stay at home D man that they can either re-sign or let go in a season, it also allows them to continue talks with Broduer and Thomas at $1 million 1 year deal. That leaves the leafs $4 million in more cap relief which they want to target a bigger name D man from 1 of the several teams that will start the season over the cap or right up against it. Oduya is 1 of the d-men they are looking at as well but wont target him without extra $$$ behind them.
The deal also gives the leafs a 2nd rounder or 3rd that may be as high as 35 coming from the Jets. They are going to sign these 1 year deals to make the players earn a spot on this team while developing their younger players via the marlies/ohl etc. This is the winning formula in their eyes and I agree.

They do not want to deal with Franson or his agent moving forward and will never sign him again so dealing him for Clitsome (a guy who stays at home and blocks shot) is the best return they will get. Reimer fetched a 3rd rounder by the Blue Jackets and that's the best offer they had so the 2nd coming back from the Jets would be significant. Reimer doesn't want to be here, and the leafs don't see him as a #1 goalie...the jets do. that's why they signed him to a 2 year deal, that was part of the contingency coming from the Jets
Kyle Dubas lives by the book " the extra 2%" which is a business orientated book about the Tampa Bay Rays....pretty good read.
- Kinggilmour

When does this go down. I'm excited already.

couldn't be any worse than our backup last year
- Garnie

oh it can get worse

- dt99999

Absolutely

Edit: It could work both ways. He could take our proposals to management. Bit of give and take.
- walshyleafsfan

Given most of the poop proposals/trades/lineups that gets posted by some on here, I think they'd end up spitting out their perrier in amusement

this does not sound like a good deal
esp when you mention MB or Thomas as backups
- senstroll

Agreed.

I don't see the Leafs being able to get anybody who can play back-up that would do a better job than what we already have.

When does this go down. I'm excited already.
- iTOLDu

Really....you are excited about getting Clitsome?

yikes.

How could this shot blocking master possibly have been picked up on waivers only 2 short years ago? I can't imagine the haul the Jets get for Ellerby next year.

oh it can get worse
- senstroll

2-10 his last 12..can only get 2 worse

I'll tell you what: I won't post any more signing, or trade TALKS int he future. I'm 40 years old, I've been involved in hockey since I was 5, and been paid to be a part of hockey since I was 18. I am around agents, players and G.M's because I actually played at a pro level for oh, about 13 years. A lot of my friends are still in the NHL, and now some of my friends sons are playing the OHL and have player reps and agents like PAT MORRIS who I hang with regularly!! Hey, I mentioned the Winnik signing because I was with Pat when he did it. I've also been hanging around Kyle Dubas since last year (when he drafted my son to play for the Greyhounds!!!) so bash all you want....it will be the last time you get anything from me Atomic Wedgie!!!
- Kinggilmour

2-10 his last 12..can only get 2 worse
- Garnie

Would have been with some of the folks that people want to bring in....

Really....you are excited about getting Clitsome?

yikes.

How could this shot blocking master possibly have been picked up on waivers only 2 short years ago? I can't imagine the haul the Jets get for Ellerby next year.
- yemrots

haul? Reimer and Franson is not a big haul and it frees up some salary

Agreed.

I don't see the Leafs being able to get anybody who can play back-up that would do a better job than what we already have.
- lumlums

clitsome was a waiver claim ..leafs have to hand over 2 players

A second or third for Reimer
Clitsome for Franson
Cap space
Its not that far off of a trade guys

this does not sound like a good deal
esp when you mention MB or Thomas as backups
- senstroll

I don't mind it. They can't be any worse than Reimer was his last 20 games or so. No? I like this deal of and only if the leafs get boychuk or oduya.

Here's the deal:

Reimer and Franson for Clitsome and a 2nd or 3rd rounder provided they (the jets) get him off the LTIR.

The deal gives the leafs $5 million in cap relief, bring in a stay at home D man that they can either re-sign or let go in a season, it also allows them to continue talks with Broduer and Thomas at $1 million 1 year deal. That leaves the leafs $4 million in more cap relief which they want to target a bigger name D man from 1 of the several teams that will start the season over the cap or right up against it. Oduya is 1 of the d-men they are looking at as well but wont target him without extra $$$ behind them.
The deal also gives the leafs a 2nd rounder or 3rd that may be as high as 35 coming from the Jets. They are going to sign these 1 year deals to make the players earn a spot on this team while developing their younger players via the marlies/ohl etc. This is the winning formula in their eyes and I agree.

They do not want to deal with Franson or his agent moving forward and will never sign him again so dealing him for Clitsome (a guy who stays at home and blocks shot) is the best return they will get. Reimer fetched a 3rd rounder by the Blue Jackets and that's the best offer they had so the 2nd coming back from the Jets would be significant. Reimer doesn't want to be here, and the leafs don't see him as a #1 goalie...the jets do. that's why they signed him to a 2 year deal, that was part of the contingency coming from the Jets
Kyle Dubas lives by the book " the extra 2%" which is a business orientated book about the Tampa Bay Rays....pretty good read.
- Kinggilmour

As for the deal I hope that they don't take Clitsome....I would rather the Leafs give that chance to Granberg, Percy (or maybe Del Zotto for 1million) and have them take a 1st & 2nd or two 2nds instead of Clitsome. The draft picks could be useful to move up in next years draft.

I don't mind it. They can't be any worse than Reimer was his last 20 games or so. No? I like this deal of and only if the leafs get boychuk or oduya.
- JVR_42_PK81

don't see the Bruins trading Boychuck within the division.

clitsome was a waiver claim ..leafs have to hand over 2 players
- senstroll

Makes perfect sense.


Leafs have started making good moves. No need to revert back now

this does not sound like a good deal
esp when you mention MB or Thomas as backups
- senstroll

I tend to agree with you (although I don't know a lot about Clitsome). But if KG is right ...then Dumas must disagree.