Is it the lack of a 4th line or Carlyle's system?
- bloatedmosquito

Both. But I think he had no confidence. The bottom 2 lines now look really solid.

Is it the lack of a 4th line or Carlyle's system?
- bloatedmosquito

Well depends if you call Orr MacLaren and McClement a 4th line at all?

Depth was a huge problem last year. I remember when we had kadri,mcclement,smith,smithson down the middle at points of the season. Who can forget the Ashton-mcclement-Kulemin
Mclaren-Smithson-Orr bottom 6 we had for the majority of the year.

Exactly. I think it's foolish to say that TSN hates the leafs. A lot of people dislike the leafs but TSN and their editors are not part of that extremely large group of haters.

Please remind your fellow leaf fans of this.
- bloatedmosquito

You have to understand, talking about the Leafs the most does not mean TSN loves them. Leafs=Ratings=Money.

Yes but everyone says they are leaf lovers blah blah blah. If that was true they wouldn't say the bad.
- Yeti1181

They aren't leaf haters or lovers. They are just leaf-centric for the very reasons you gave above.

Is it the lack of a 4th line or Carlyle's system?
- bloatedmosquito

Combination not having a fourth line will drain the other lines especially the top line which is generally the line that's gets more time out of it.

Kadri Franson Lupul

For

Kane Byfuglien Burrmistrov


Fair Trade.

They aren't leaf haters or lovers. They are just leaf-centric for the very reasons you gave above.
- bloatedmosquito

True but most people go on how they love the leafs and that which is what I'm addressing in my post.

Option 2. We lost our powerhouse 4 line and replaced it with scrubs.
- Yeti1181

While I agree that the Leafs' signings are quite the dog's breakfast, I think even Bloatsie can agree that last year's 4th line was so effing atrocious, the Leafs have improved in that department.

The D is still sub-par, I'm afraid.

I like our defense within Gards, Rielly, Phaneuf and Robidas but i never understood the point of trading gunner for polak
- DougGilmour_93

This explains why you want del zotto too...

While I agree that the Leafs' signings are quite the dog's breakfast, I think even Bloatsie can agree that last year's 4th line was so effing atrocious, the Leafs have improved in that department.

The D is still sub-par, I'm afraid.
- Atomic Wedgie

The defense wasn't good last season but so much of it was due to the leafs forwards not playing defense.

While I agree that the Leafs' signings are quite the dog's breakfast, I think even Bloatsie can agree that last year's 4th line was so effing atrocious, the Leafs have improved in that department.

The D is still sub-par, I'm afraid.
- Atomic Wedgie

A 4th line that can actually play 8-10 mins of reliable hockey will do wonders for 1st line by March/April.

While I agree that the Leafs' signings are quite the dog's breakfast, I think even Bloatsie can agree that last year's 4th line was so effing atrocious, the Leafs have improved in that department.

The D is still sub-par, I'm afraid.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah not the greatest d but if you have forward that can't get a puck out or keep it in the other end of course our d will look bad. You play 80% of the game in our end no defence will look good.

Is it the lack of a 4th line or Carlyle's system?
- bloatedmosquito

both.
carlyle now has some grit in the bottom 6 who can actually play some hockey....
if they flounder miserably again, it's on him.

Kadri Franson Lupul

For

Kane Byfuglien Burrmistrov


Fair Trade.
- Byfuglien Ate Me

Don't all absurd Leafs-Jets trade proposals have to include Reimer?

Well depends if you call Orr MacLaren and McClement a 4th line at all?
- walshyleafsfan

Ok but that line cost the leafs less than $3 mil. What was leaf management thinking?

Don't all absurd Leafs-Jets trade proposals have to include Reimer?
- Atomic Wedgie

Why does everyone want Byfuglien?

I think the reporters come with a disclaimer

The opinions expressed are not necessarily of .....
- MTL1

... People who know anything at all...

That what you wee going to say.

Don't all absurd Leafs-Jets trade proposals have to include Reimer?
- Atomic Wedgie

No, in this case I see Reimer winning back the #1A Job.

While I agree that the Leafs' signings are quite the dog's breakfast, I think even Bloatsie can agree that last year's 4th line was so effing atrocious, the Leafs have improved in that department.

The D is still sub-par, I'm afraid.
- Atomic Wedgie

See above. Less than $3 mil for the entire line.

Ok but that line cost the leafs less than $3 mil. What was leaf management thinking?
- bloatedmosquito

And this year will be a shade over 3 million if not less but will be much better.

Why does everyone want Byfuglien?
- Yeti1181

To make Dion look good defensively, I imagine

Why does everyone want Byfuglien?
- Yeti1181

He's larger than life.

While I agree that the Leafs' signings are quite the dog's breakfast, I think even Bloatsie can agree that last year's 4th line was so effing atrocious, the Leafs have improved in that department.

The D is still sub-par, I'm afraid.
- Atomic Wedgie

Other than a top pairing d, the rest will probably come through our system. Which obviously will take time.

True but most people go on how they love the leafs and that which is what I'm addressing in my post.
- Yeti1181

he night Chicago won their cup the headline on TSN's webpage was "Toronto Biggest Losers". Enough said.