Non physical d-man traded for physical d-man. I bet toronto offered franson but st lou didnt want him. This woulda been nicer IMHO

Lee-Phaneuf
Rielly - Robidas
Gunnarson-Polak
- GardinerExpress

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I don't get why people are upset that we are getting good bottom six players on good deals. Would they prefer we gave them multi year deals?
- Yeti1181

Why do people think Aneheim was so good last year? Perry and Getzlaf obviously but depth played a huge role in it.

I don't get why people are upset that we are getting good bottom six players on good deals. Would they prefer we gave them multi year deals?
- Yeti1181

exactly. Even if a guy like booth or winnik are terrible, we can send them down and eat a couple hundred thousand cap. no big deal.

I actually was hoping the leafs signed winnik after he left the coyotes. reliable 3rd liner who can kill penalties, and comes at 30% the price of Kulemin!

Hey thats where I live. What was around it??
- MCharisma91

It was on the southwest corner of Vic Park and Clintwood Gate. There used to be a strip plaza there - I think they tore it down a few years ago.

There was also a musical instrument store, a convenience store and a restaurant - damn, can't think of the name right now.

Ever go to the Triple Crown? Best wings in Toronto.

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- weirdoh

Lee?

The Leafs will be contending for a playoff spot. Anybody hoping for a top 5 pick are just as bad as the people hoping for a Stanley cup.
- JVR_42_PK81

Hey JVR. I always read the comments and know you love and defend the Leafs to thedeath . I love them too. I cannot say that they have done anything as of yet to show they are serious about playoffs for the upcoming season. They've signed enough mediocre talent to showthat it is 50/50 at best for playoffs and60/40 for lottery (u choose which is 60). Look at the big picture.

Lee?
- GardinerExpress

I think they let Gardiner walk and sign Lee.

Jays have been getting luck with opposing pitchers having off nights. Have to take advantage when you can.

Hey JVR. I always read the comments and know you love and defend the Leafs to thedeath . I love them too. I cannot say that they have done anything as of yet to show they are serious about playoffs for the upcoming season. They've signed enough mediocre talent to showthat it is 50/50 at best for playoffs and60/40 for lottery (u choose which is 60). Look at the big picture.
- marklaprise

Our biggest problem last year was our bottom two lines, which generally is mediocre talent players. They ve address the big problem areas. The top two lines are fairly talent what did you want them to do this off season start changing out our strengths?

Our biggest problem last year was our bottom two lines, which generally is mediocre talent players. They ve address the big problem areas. The top two lines are fairly talent what did you want them to do this off season start changing out our strengths?
- Yeti1181

Our biggest problem was weak defence.

Our second biggest problem was Reimer.

Our 3rd biggest problem was lack of forward depth.

Hey JVR. I always read the comments and know you love and defend the Leafs to thedeath . I love them too. I cannot say that they have done anything as of yet to show they are serious about playoffs for the upcoming season. They've signed enough mediocre talent to showthat it is 50/50 at best for playoffs and60/40 for lottery (u choose which is 60). Look at the big picture.
- marklaprise

True. There are tankers and defenders no matter what. THere are also people who change with the roster changes.

i have never been a tanker until this summer played out. No way they have improved. Signed a bunch of hard workers? yes. Forget the cliff we fell off or saying for 75% of the season we were a playoff team. All that matters is the end - we finished 8th from the bottom in the end. I think saying we greatly improved with scraps is a pipe dream(they are scraps and would have been signed long ago by other teams if they were so good. However I like the santo signing and winnik is alright)

We have long term deals with key players, a few high picks and letting the percys and finns grow along with nylander will be the best thing for the leafs in the long run.

Our biggest problem was weak defence.

Our second biggest problem was Reimer.

Our 3rd biggest problem was lack of forward depth.
- Atomic Wedgie

You think defence has nothing to do with the forwards?

Hey JVR. I always read the comments and know you love and defend the Leafs to thedeath . I love them too. I cannot say that they have done anything as of yet to show they are serious about playoffs for the upcoming season. They've signed enough mediocre talent to showthat it is 50/50 at best for playoffs and60/40 for lottery (u choose which is 60). Look at the big picture.
- marklaprise

this is going completely over your head isnt it? The leafs needed help with their bottom 6. They brought in Komarov,Kontiola,Frattin,Santorelli, and Winnik. Everyone and their mother would agree that their bottom 6 is improved, especially a 4th line that can now play more than 5 mins a game.

Great teams need depth too, and we picked up a few guys who were valuable to their SC contending teams (Robidas,Winnik,Polak)

I like the leafs more this year. top 6 is the same, but we let go of a few guys who wanted big money (13 mill for kuli,raymond, and bolland) and brought in some guys who will have to battle to win a spot

I don't get why people are upset that we are getting good bottom six players on good deals. Would they prefer we gave them multi year deals?
- Yeti1181

Nope, but some fans are tired of treading water. Every team needs a cornerstone player and the most reliable way to get that player is drafting top three (unless you're LA).

Some of us fans are tired of watching our team try to stay competitive and win nothing while other teams dog it for a few years only to win multipule cups.

I apologize if I'm repeating anyone's else's comments or beliefs as I have not read any of thecomments yet. I truly believe the Leafs are aiming for bottom 5 with all of these mediocre signings. Sure we've improved the 3rd and forth lines (maybe) not to any degree that guarantees a play off spot though. every player signed could be better OR worse than their previous season. Injuries WILL be a factor for several players (Robidas, Bernier, etc) and all of these 1 and 2 year deals indicate a HUGE amount of money coming off the books by the time Stamkos is a UFA. SO worst/best case scenario: injuries and mediocre free agent SHORT term signings lead to high draft pick, contracts expiring, and trading away $$$ at the deadline and another cap increase. That equates to : AWESOME DRAFTpick next year (possibly first?) And lots of money to spend on an amazing UFA. Us fans can only hope and pray.
- marklaprise

I agree totally. Timmy L TRIED to scrap and rebuild the raps until they started winning. Seems like he took the same approach with the leafs.

all these one year deals scream patchwork season. A high pick in a strong draft is the goal it seems to me.

Our biggest problem last year was our bottom two lines, which generally is mediocre talent players. They ve address the big problem areas. The top two lines are fairly talent what did you want them to do this off season start changing out our strengths?
- Yeti1181

they are the guys who expect a clarkson like signing every year. This year I guess it woulda been Moulson or Cammalleri.

sometimes, the best moves are the ones you don't make....

they are the guys who expect a clarkson like signing every year. This year I guess it woulda been Moulson or Cammalleri.

sometimes, the best moves are the ones you don't make....
- GardinerExpress

Agreed. I would have liked Moulson.

Hey JVR. I always read the comments and know you love and defend the Leafs to thedeath . I love them too. I cannot say that they have done anything as of yet to show they are serious about playoffs for the upcoming season. They've signed enough mediocre talent to showthat it is 50/50 at best for playoffs and60/40 for lottery (u choose which is 60). Look at the big picture.
- marklaprise

I think they make the playoffs this year. I know it's cliché as (frank), but it really comes down to the D. If the players they added are as advertised, having Polak as a meat head defense first guy and Robidas as a mixture that leans more towards the D now, I think that's a slight upgrade there. Polak can skate according to everybody except Simmons. Rielly, Gardiner gotta be better which they should be. If Gardiner can stop his bone head fancy plays that turn into blatant giveaways and goals he should be fine. Maybe the players added will all finally be able to contribute to what this team desperately has needed but failed to get going and that's a whole Team D. Bernier will play stronger with a better D, heck even Reimer will.



Then again, what the (frank) do I know? They could very well poop the bed.

Nope, but some fans are tired of treading water. Every team needs a cornerstone player and the most reliable way to get that player is drafting top three (unless you're LA).

Some of us fans are tired of watching our team try to stay competitive and win nothing while other teams dog it for a few years only to win multipule cups.
- bloatedmosquito

Doughty was top 3. pretty sure he is a cornerstone player. LA also had a 4th overall that didnt really pan out (Hickey), so they were pretty bad at one point

lol. He was very adamant about it. If it doesn't happen he wont be able to post again or he'll be mocked mercilessly...
- Iggysbff

And what happens to you, after mocking him when he was right?

You think defence has nothing to do with the forwards?
- Yeti1181

Sometimes it does (Larry Murphy).

But last year, the Leafs' D sucked - all on their own.

Phanuef - under-rated.

Gunnarson - will be a 3rd pairing this year.

Gardiner - I love the kid, but he is still a diamond in the rough.

Gleason - terrible

Rielly - rookie

Franson - over-rated

Everybody else: franking horrible.

Nope, but some fans are tired of treading water. Every team needs a cornerstone player and the most reliable way to get that player is drafting top three (unless you're LA).

Some of us fans are tired of watching our team try to stay competitive and win nothing while other teams dog it for a few years only to win multipule cups.
- bloatedmosquito

Agreed but the leafs do have some very high talent guys in kessel and JVR and Kadri is still coming along as well. Be great to have franchise guys but not many of those around even in drafts.

I think they make the playoffs this year. I know it's cliché as (frank), but it really comes down to the D. If the players they added are as advertised, having Polak as a meat head defense first guy and Robidas as a mixture that leans more towards the D now, I think that's a slight upgrade there. Polak can skate according to everybody except Simmons. Rielly, Gardiner gotta be better which they should be. If Gardiner can stop his bone head fancy plays that turn into blatant giveaways and goals he should be fine. Maybe the players added will all finally be able to contribute to what this team desperately has needed but failed to get going and that's a whole Team D. Bernier will play stronger with a better D, heck even Reimer will.



Then again, what the (frank) do I know? They could very well poop the bed.
- weirdoh

Polak is no meat head. He hits but he's not insanely tough. He'll fight maybe 2-3x a year. He's no scott stevens but he can play physical. Ppl love to say 'he played behind' the greats on STL, but i think he was also insulated by them. Just like how gunnarsson will look great on STL (see how improved JBO became when moving from CGY to STL)

And what happens to you, after mocking him when he was right?
- systemtool

nothing, he will act like it never happened. too bad he didnt make a bet with the guy with the loser having to take a 3 month break from posting

Sometimes it does (Larry Murphy).

But last year, the Leafs' D sucked - all on their own.

Phanuef - under-rated.

Gunnarson - will be a 3rd pairing this year.

Gardiner - I love the kid, but he is still a diamond in the rough.

Gleason - terrible

Rielly - rookie

Franson - over-rated

Everybody else: franking horrible.
- Atomic Wedgie

I'm not saying we have great defence but if our forwards could have pushed the pace and not have to spend 80% of the game in our end we wouldn't be so concerned with out defence right now.