On paper, faster, tougher to play against with the speed and more offense. Now we have to see when they lace them up.
- LeafMan

I see a lot of smarter hockey players too with the guys coming in. Less about talent, which I think we already had in guys like Kessel, Kadri, JVR, Rielly, Gardiner....more in terms of workmanship and solid hockey play that has been added.

Lupul would have to be going back
- Yeti1181

NTC - 14 team list
doubt WPG is on that list

Reimer is a toss in.

It would be Kadri + going back to the peg for Kane.

Or a one for one.

Either way....Kane doesnt make sense for the leafs...unless Winnipeg takes a bad contract or garbage back.....I dont see them doing that.

Unless the Leafs believe Holland can replace Kadri.
- Fakepartofme

We could give them some nice youngsters and a starter.

Holland/Leivo/Reimer + Ashton/pick/Franson.

I don't think that's far off. Especially for someone who they know wants nothing to do with that organization anymore.

Lupul would have to be going back
- Yeti1181

If the peg were taking Lupul back....it would have to be Lupul plus Holland, a high pick and high end prospect.

NTC - 14 team list
doubt WPG is on that list
- MTL1

I agree

Reimer is a toss in.

It would be Kadri + going back to the peg for Kane.

Or a one for one.

Either way....Kane doesnt make sense for the leafs...unless Winnipeg takes a bad contract or garbage back.....I dont see them doing that.

Unless the Leafs believe Holland can replace Kadri.
- Fakepartofme

Bout the first time I've ever agreed with you. We don't need Kane. He's, as people love to throw around, a cancer. The Leafs don't need that. Centres are more valuable than wingers as us Leafs fans know more than anyone. I cannot see us going after Kane. Kadri produces more than Kane as is. Why make the trade unless there is more from the Win side?

cant say they didnt change anything
- jimi james

yep they are certainly a test case for building through trade/signings. how many players on the roster were Leaf draft picks? Rielly, Reimer and Kadri?

If the peg were taking Lupul back....it would have to be Lupul plus Holland, a high pick and high end prospect.
- Fakepartofme

For Kane? You're over-rating him now..

So many players being signed.
Winnik has some interested advanced stats. Career, his CF% is around 50, but he had a terrible playoffs last year.
The stat I like the most is the GF% where he was 60% in the lockout season, 52% last season, and 60% in the playoffs. Not bad. Nice replacement for bottom 6 numbers.

Confused where everyone is going to play though.

If we assume the top six (at least by salary) is:
JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Clarkson

Then what's our bottom 6?
Komarov - Santorelli - Booth
Frattin - Holland - Kontiola

If the peg were taking Lupul back....it would have to be Lupul plus Holland, a high pick and high end prospect.
- Fakepartofme

Then you keep Lupul, he is signed and contributes just as much even if he is injured. Giving up a lot for zero improvement in the lineup is a stupid move.

there's a rule of thumb that we, as fans, should follow when we "propose" trades. if our team is getting the best player in the deal, the proposal is terrible.
- DoubleDown

Not here. Here, anything is possible if you put a "+" at the end of the list of players your team is giving up.

We could give them some nice youngsters and a starter.

Holland/Leivo/Reimer + Ashton/pick/Franson.

I don't think that's far off. Especially for someone who they know wants nothing to do with that organization anymore.
- iTOLDu

Unfortunately there's more than two teams in the NHL. 'Peg isn't taking that bag of tricks - there will have to be atleast one big piece coming back.

Are we changing our name to the Toronto Try-outs? WTF is with all these one year deals, making guys compete for spots for the following season or what!?

We could give them some nice youngsters and a starter.

Holland/Leivo/Reimer + Ashton/pick/Franson.

I don't think that's far off. Especially for someone who they know wants nothing to do with that organization anymore.
- iTOLDu

Their GM is not dumb.
I could see one of the following:
Kadri+ pick/prospect
Holland + Leivo + Reimer + high pick and maybe Ashton
Holland+ Franson + Reimer + pick

Even then...I think they would only do the Kadri deal.

But I would hope the leafs wouldnt...unless the leafs believe Holland can replace Kadri.

NTC - 14 team list
doubt WPG is on that list
- MTL1

This is Lupul's list of teams he'd be willing to be traded to:

New York
Los Angeles
Paris*
Milan*
London*

*if/when awarded NHL Franchise

Not here. Here, anything is possible if you put a "+" at the end of the list of players your team is giving up.
- 1979AD

So.........
Moen +
vs
JVR

Kinggilmour says he was sitting with Winnik and his agent when the deal was signed. 1 year 1.35 mill.

We'll see if he's full of poop or not I guess.
- Iggysbff

boom.

NTC - 14 team list
doubt WPG is on that list
- MTL1

You never know though he could waive it to though.

yep they are certainly a test case for building through trade/signings. how many players on the roster were Leaf draft picks? Rielly, Reimer and Kadri?
- DoubleDown

It's a little bit of window dressing though. They've swapped out the 3rd and 4th lines and two depth defencemen. I like the changes and I think it's a move in the right direction but they really haven't altered the core that much - the guys that will play the big minutes ..the most important minutes ...are all still there.

yep they are certainly a test case for building through trade/signings. how many players on the roster were Leaf draft picks? Rielly, Reimer and Kadri?
- DoubleDown

I think you'll start to see more Leaf draft picks as this season and next season progresses.

And in some instances there are exceptions, Gardiner wasn't a Leaf draft pick, but all of his development or pro career has been as the property of the Leafs.

Then you keep Lupul, he is signed and contributes just as much even if he is injured. Giving up a lot for zero improvement in the lineup is a stupid move.
- LeafMan

No sh!t.
Which is why I said earlier, the trade wont happen.
Kane doesnt fill a hole if we are making a new one.
THe jets arent taking garbage for Kane....it would create a hole somewhere.

Plus I like Lupul....good cap hit...places great when healthy.

It's a little bit of window dressing though. They've swapped out the 3rd and 4th lines and two depth defencemen. I like the changes and I think it's a move in the right direction but they really haven't altered the core that much - the guys that will play the big minutes ..the most important minutes ...are all still there.
- The Law

Robidas is a 20 minute d-man, so he's one exception to the above.

So.........
Moen +
vs
JVR


- Wu_Habs

That's correct. Moen + Subban and you can have JVR.

Let's trade Lupul for Mike Richards and Kadri+Franson for Kane

Dubas added, Booth and Winnik signed to good deals right away, Leafs are killing it all of a sudden....

(frank).