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DoubleDown
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Not to point any fingers but Tyson Barrie has looked awful in the blue and white for the Leafs., QC
Joined: 07.28.2006

Jul 28 @ 5:47 PM ET
Has a save percentage below .915 in 65% (13 out of 20) career seasons.
- BINGO!


Right place right time.
Terrific goalie. Best of all time? He's not even close to the discussion.
You think Marty wins Cups in Montreal in 86 and 93?
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 28 @ 5:48 PM ET
That's the thing about goaltenders, though. The only fair indicator is save percentage, and even that i flawed based on quality of shots faced.

Save percentage is simplistic, but it applies about as evenly across the board as any stat can. Nothing else we have is more indicative of a goaltender's individual performance.

- BINGO!

They are all very flawed stats for goalies. Team play has huge impact on all of them.
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Jul 28 @ 5:50 PM ET
Leafs would need to give up Kadri, Gardiner, + 1st to get Kane.
- Scooby_Doo

Not enough...
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 28 @ 5:50 PM ET
They are all very flawed stats for goalies. Team play has huge impact on all of them.
- Yeti1181



He's right though, sv% is the best of them.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 28 @ 5:51 PM ET
Not enough...
- whipper334



You're right, to get that package they'd have to throw something in with Kane.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 28 @ 5:56 PM ET
He's right though, sv% is the best of them.
- prock

Not really you have to factor in quality of shots. If you're team gives I'm numerous shots you're Sv percentage goes up, devils were giving up like 20 shots a game he lets in two goals his sv% is 90. No account for quality of shots.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 28 @ 5:56 PM ET
Not really you have to factor in quality of shots. If you're team gives I'm numerous shots you're Sv percentage goes up, devils were giving up like 20 shots a game he lets in two goals his sv% is 90. No account for quality of shots.
- Yeti1181



You're saying there is a single better stat than sv%? Which do you feel is better? GAA? Wins?
jake24242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.25.2010

Jul 28 @ 5:57 PM ET
Kane 19 goals last year? Hurt for 75% of the season.
Kane kills penalties
Kane hits, scores and fights

Kadri is a one dimensional centre, has no defence, can't kill a penalty for the life of him and has the body of a teenager that couldn't do anything physical if he wanted to.

Kane >>>>> Kadri

Keep Kadri, don't want him and don't need him.

Kane will not be traded this offseason, especially not to the leafs. Count on it!

- Tagleeandeddy



lol try being non bias
MMFlames
Calgary Flames
Location: ON
Joined: 10.06.2010

Jul 28 @ 5:59 PM ET
I'm thinking Reimer/Kadri for Kane + Pick
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 28 @ 5:59 PM ET
You're saying there is a single better stat than sv%? Which do you feel is better? GAA? Wins?
- prock

No they all have faults that rely on team in front of them.
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
Location: TN
Joined: 09.29.2013

Jul 28 @ 6:00 PM ET
You're saying there is a single better stat than sv%? Which do you feel is better? GAA? Wins?
- prock

I think goalie is the one position where you have to actually watch the guy more so than the stats to see his ability. You can judge a forward/d-man more on stats precisely than a goaltender.
jake24242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.25.2010

Jul 28 @ 6:00 PM ET
It always blows my mind to look at Brodeur's stats and how obscenely average he was through his entire career.
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You do realize how old he is and when he stated his career. A 800 save % was really good back then since goaltending hadn't evolved into that it is today. He has been elite his hole career
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 28 @ 6:01 PM ET
I think goalie is the one position where you have to actually watch the guy more so than the stats to see his ability. You can judge a forward/d-man more on stats precisely than a goaltender.
- YzermanIsTheMan

Exactly
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 28 @ 6:01 PM ET
You do realize how old he is and when he stated his career. A 800% was really good back then since goaltending hadn't evolved into that it is today. He has been elite his hole career
- jake24242

Oh FFS....
jake24242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.25.2010

Jul 28 @ 6:02 PM ET
Oh FFS....
- Iggysbff


herp a derp?
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 28 @ 6:02 PM ET
Oh FFS....
- Iggysbff

Solid argument you have there.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 28 @ 6:03 PM ET
herp a derp?
- jake24242

Yes thats all you do....
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 28 @ 6:03 PM ET
Yes thats all you do....
- Iggysbff

And you wonder why you get constantly banned?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 28 @ 6:04 PM ET
No they all have faults that rely on team in front of them.
- Yeti1181



Every stat, for all positions, have faults.

Goaltending, specifically, is the hardest. However, of all the stats, sv% is the best one.

I never said it was perfect. I said, like the other guy, that despite them all having faults, sv% is the best one.
jake24242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.25.2010

Jul 28 @ 6:04 PM ET
Yes thats all you do....
- Iggysbff


Ban this 5 year old please.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 28 @ 6:05 PM ET
Every stat, for all positions, have faults.

Goaltending, specifically, is the hardest. However, of all the stats, sv% is the best one.

I never said it was perfect. I said, like the other guy, that despite them all having faults, sv% is the best one.

- prock

Might be the best one but it's still pointless to use that one to dismiss all the others.
whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Jul 28 @ 6:08 PM ET
And you wonder why you get constantly banned?
- Yeti1181

whipper334
Calgary Flames
Location: The man they call Reveen!!
Joined: 01.06.2010

Jul 28 @ 6:08 PM ET
You're right, to get that package they'd have to throw something in with Kane.
- prock

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jul 28 @ 6:09 PM ET
Might be the best one but it's still pointless to use that one to dismiss all the others.
- Yeti1181


I don't know where anyone said all the others should be dismissed. The guy even mentioned that he's aware it's flawed. So, those first five words you posted above.... kind show that you're disagreeing for nothing.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 28 @ 6:09 PM ET

- whipper334


Ban this clown please.
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