Whats the "crap team" got to do with anything? You said he had to put up points to be considered a star. I gave you the stats proving he has. As for being better than Kane or Toews, i'd say he's right with them. The fact he's on a "crap team" and still putting up those points with no veteran supporting cast, only reinforces that. As for going back and forth about this with you, I see you're one of those people that can't admit they're wrong, so i'm not going to bother, the stats speak for themselves.
- eerie13

If he is a true STAR as well as RNH the Oil need to be turning a corner rather soon or I would start to field offers for one of them, they aren't improving at all. If he was a star he would be a difference maker. And no, I would not take Hall over any of those guys as well as a list of others.

Yeah I've agreed with almost everything they've said, and ystoil's posts in particular have been on point. The fact of the matter is that Perron's contract is too good to give up for average Sutter and a D prospect, and Yak's potential is still too high to justify trading him at his current value. The only way we enter into a marriage with EDM involving Sutter is for a middling draft pick. In fact, the only way we enter a marriage with any team involving Sutter is for middling draft picks.

We get on these Canadian teams for overvaluing their players, well we gotta start looking at ours for what they are too. Sutter is a player who has been nothing but average to sub par his entire career and is not locked up long term to a ridiculously well valued contract. His only saving grace is that he's shown the occasional flash of brilliance and still has a marginal amount of potential and could become a consistently average to slightly above average 3C.
- Victoro311

I could see us getting Moroz for Sutter. That's about the only decent move I see with EDM.

Avalanche were the other team supposedly interested in Sutter. Sutter for McGinn might make sense. McGinn is a lateral move but cheaper and has a good speed/cycling game. Not ideal because he's another swing type 3rd liner and we need guys that can play top 6. But still I'd take McGinn at $2.9M over Sutter at $4M.

I'm being nitpicky though with Sutter. Trading him, or anyone other player/package, needs to return a top 6 wing. Otherwise most deals wont make sense for us.

How long do you guys have those guys under contract for? Despres is a blue chip prospect that is ready to play a full NHL season and has the potential to become a menace in the top 4. He's a bottom pairing D man this season, but he'll be an upgrade over all of those guys except for maybe Marincin in a few years. A D core of Shultz, Marincin, and Despres in the top 4 actually looks good. Shultz the puck mover, Marincin the PP QB, and Despres the big bodied two way D man. You gotta admit its appealing.
- Victoro311

I like Despres but we just picked up Nikitin , Fayne and Aulie. Plus we have Nurse and Klefbom for D prospects. The Oilers have settled on their plans for the blue line. Whether its a good plan or not they have no interest on filling any position other than center unless it's a #1D man that is never on the market anyways.

There might not be a rush, but it feels like every day that passes without a deal and every turned down offer makes it more likely we trade him.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Why?

And where is there any proof (TIOPS does not count, at all) that Sutter has turned down any offers at all?

Why?

And where is there any proof (TIOPS does not count, at all) that Sutter has turned down any offers at all?
- hardnosed

Lol...sensing a distrust of TIOPS? Well, TIOPS aside, I think common sense would say he's been given an offer by now. Who knows I guess.

And to answer the why...if there have been multiple offers, it must be a fairly large gap or they would have had an agreement by now. Pens only have $6M in space and need at least $1M in cusion. So $5M between Sutter and Spaling...Spaling will want at least $2M, meaning Sutter could only be paid $3M and I don't think he would except that. Just appears that a few factors could lead to a trade. Just an (uneducated) guess.

Lol...sensing a distrust of TIOPS? Well, TIOPS aside, I think common sense would say he's been given an offer by now. Who knows I guess.

And to answer the why...if there have been multiple offers, it must be a fairly large gap or they would have had an agreement by now. Pens only have $6M in space and need at least $1M in cusion. So $5M between Sutter and Spaling...Spaling will want at least $2M, meaning Sutter could only be paid $3M and I don't think he would except that. Just appears that a few factors could lead to a trade. Just an (uneducated) guess.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I am no bigger fan of paying Spaling over 1.5 mil than I am of paying Sutter over 3.5 mil. 2 mil and 4 mil should be the absolute ceiling on both respectively. These two have turned out to be real A-holes. I like Spaling, but I'm starting to become more and more sure that there was a better bang for the buck package out there for James Neal.

If he is a true STAR as well as RNH the Oil need to be turning a corner rather soon or I would start to field offers for one of them, they aren't improving at all. If he was a star he would be a difference maker. And no, I would not take Hall over any of those guys as well as a list of others.
- sammy87

There is lot's of STARS on horrible teams. And Hall costs 6m while Kane and Toews cost 10m. If you watched the Oilers last season you could see that between brutal coaching, goaltending and defense it was a miracle they did as good as they did. Taylor Hall carried that team on his back and is potentially going to become the best LW in the league.

Yup, Minn is a more logical trading partner with Martin. Only way Sutter goes to EDM is for cap relief and picks. Which I would take over Yak any day of the week.
- sammy87

Lol...sensing a distrust of TIOPS? Well, TIOPS aside, I think common sense would say he's been given an offer by now. Who knows I guess.

And to answer the why...if there have been multiple offers, it must be a fairly large gap or they would have had an agreement by now. Pens only have $6M in space and need at least $1M in cusion. So $5M between Sutter and Spaling...Spaling will want at least $2M, meaning Sutter could only be paid $3M and I don't think he would except that. Just appears that a few factors could lead to a trade. Just an (uneducated) guess.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Spaling has his hearing on Thursday. I'd imagine that's the FO's focus right now, not dealing with Sutter.

Spaling has his hearing on Thursday. I'd imagine that's the FO's focus right now, not dealing with Sutter.
- hardnosed

Trade Sutter for Moroz.

Sign Spaling @ $2M. Sign Mueller @ $700k. Sign Setoguchi @ $1M.

Steve Simmons just said the words "Malkin's best years are behind him."

Steve Simmons just said the words "Malkin's best years are behind him."
- Ben37

(frank) Steve Simmons

There is lot's of STARS on horrible teams. And Hall costs 6m while Kane and Toews cost 10m. If you watched the Oilers last season you could see that between brutal coaching, goaltending and defense it was a miracle they did as good as they did. Taylor Hall carried that team on his back and is potentially going to become the best LW in the league.
- kahammer

The Oil need defense. I like to watch them. Their offensive talent is fun to watch. However giveaways and a very soft defense tend to take the wind out of their sails too often. I think it would be to their advantage to focus in on a solid puck moving defenseman and and a shutdown pairing. So many times they play stick check and do not take the body. In addition they sometimes really struggle to get out of their own end. I do not see Sutter as an answer for them. Despres, maybe. Martin? For sure.

Trade Sutter for Moroz.

Sign Spaling @ $2M. Sign Mueller @ $700k. Sign Setoguchi @ $1M.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That could be feasible. Be tough to part with Moroz, hard to peg him as a 3rd line winger or a budding power forward all teams need. Showed good signs this year.

Steve Simmons just said the words "Malkin's best years are behind him."
- Ben37

Another blazing hot take

If Martin and Ehrhoff were sure signings past this year, I could see a deal around Letang/Sutter for Eberle/Schultz.

If Martin and Ehrhoff were sure signings past this year, I could see a deal around Letang/Sutter for Eberle/Schultz.
- Barnaby36

That's a really meh trade for the Pens. Letang at full value can get us more, and I'm not even sure that a Letang that's firing on all cylinders is smart to trade away. Dynamic player with a very unique skill set on a deceptively reasonable contract. Get him the right partner and watch him dominate

That could be feasible. Be tough to part with Moroz, hard to peg him as a 3rd line winger or a budding power forward all teams need. Showed good signs this year.
- ystoil

You're getting at least a sure third line center with Sutter. Once draisaitl (spelling?) Makes the team, you'll be set with centers. I think you have enough winger depth to deal moroz. From our side, It hinges on whether or not moroz is ready for the NHL fairly soon though.

If Martin and Ehrhoff were sure signings past this year, I could see a deal around Letang/Sutter for Eberle/Schultz.
- Barnaby36

Hmmm....very interesting. Fills needs. About right for value. I don't know enough about Shultz though. Can he handle top pairing minutes? A Shultz/Ehrhoff pairing is a significant downgrade from letang/martin. Eberle would be special with Sid. I think edm would need to add tho for me to say yes. Just because Letang is such a big loss...

Does tanger have a LMC tho?

You're getting at least a sure third line center with Sutter. Once draisaitl (spelling?) Makes the team, you'll be set with centers. I think you have enough winger depth to deal moroz. From our side, It hinges on whether or not moroz is ready for the NHL fairly soon though.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Ya. That's why I'm definitely open to it. I think moroz is close, maybe a year in the ahl.

You're dealing with a Canadian team. All their players are completely over valued and most likely off limits unless Crosby is involved. I never see an Oiler fan willing to deal Hall, Yak, RNH, Eberle, 1st rnd, even Hemsky pretty much off limits. I wish they did an anonymous survey at the end of every yr of how many players have LNTC clause and put EDM and PEG on their no trade list?

One of the Oil fans on this site listed the names they moved or didn't sign recently, I didn't recognize hardly any of them.
- sammy87

K. You're right.
Its stupid of us to not want to deal nail yakupov for Brandon sutter.

Thanks for bringing us back to reality

You're getting at least a sure third line center with Sutter. Once draisaitl (spelling?) Makes the team, you'll be set with centers. I think you have enough winger depth to deal moroz. From our side, It hinges on whether or not moroz is ready for the NHL fairly soon though.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

And honestly, our forward prospects are so nonexistent that this may even be worth it if Moroz is two or three years away still. Always nice to have a semi-promising power forward in the prospect pool (I'm looking at you, Eric Tangradi). Could be huge on Sid or Geno's wing if he pans out.

There is lot's of STARS on horrible teams. And Hall costs 6m while Kane and Toews cost 10m. If you watched the Oilers last season you could see that between brutal coaching, goaltending and defense it was a miracle they did as good as they did. Taylor Hall carried that team on his back and is potentially going to become the best LW in the league.
- kahammer

back to back top tens and 3rd in ppg this year.

I think an argument can be made for sharp, zetterberg and parise still as there all abit better defensively. But I think as soon as this year the two best left wingers in the game will unequivocally be hall and benn.
I think Taylor's ceiling still has aways to go as he needs work defensively, as well as in tight spaces. When he figures out how to be more effective playing at less than 100mph, hes gonna be great.
Admittedly abit biased. But he carries the on his back. Any debate between him or eberle is now dead

back to back top tens and 3rd in ppg this year.

I think an argument can be made for sharp, zetterberg and parise still as there all abit better defensively. But I think as soon as this year the two best left wingers in the game will unequivocally be hall and benn.
I think Taylor's ceiling still has aways to go as he needs work defensively, as well as in tight spaces. When he figures out how to be more effective playing at less than 100mph, hes gonna be great.
Admittedly abit biased. But he carries the on his back. Any debate between him or eberle is now dead
- hugefemale dog77

So would rather have Eberle/Yakupov or Hall alone? I always thought Eberle was the more cerebral guy on your roster.