I'd pass on Yak for Sutter
- Morris

I don't blame you. He was the #1 overrall player for a reason. I know he has struggled but if you sell low on any asset it's bad business. Only trades I'd make if I'm edmonton would be minor or a really big one for a top pairing defenseman

Unless of course you need some losses to off set your gains then selling low isn't a bad idea.

I don't blame you. He was the #1 overrall player for a reason. I know he has struggled but if you sell low on any asset it's bad business. Only trades I'd make if I'm edmonton would be minor or a really big one for a top pairing defenseman

Unless of course you need some losses to off set your gains then selling low isn't a bad idea.
- dbell646

Yeah because if you didn't win the cup, you should always aim to stay right where you were last season. At least that's what Ray Shero taught me...

Yeah because if you didn't win the cup, you should always aim to stay right where you were last season. At least that's what Ray Shero taught me...
- Victoro311

Tambellini as well

Yeah because if you didn't win the cup, you should always aim to stay right where you were last season. At least that's what Ray Shero taught me...
- Victoro311

Ask yourself if you'd flip a 1st overrall pick for Sutter? Just because you're losing doesn't mean you have to trade every player. Especially young affordable guys with a ton of potential.

Ask yourself if you'd flip a 1st overrall pick for Sutter? Just because you're losing doesn't mean you have to trade every player. Especially young affordable guys with a ton of potential.
- dbell646

Haha no, no. That's not what I was saying at all. I was agreeing with you that it would be dumb for the Oilers to do that trade.

Wow, TIOPS was quoted in an article.

Might as well use Ek as a source.

If Sutter just wants to get closer to UFA, why wouldn't he just have gone to arbitration?

Sutter will be signed soon - there's really no rush right now.

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Breaking: Red Wings agree to terms with Tatar on three-year deal

Wonder if there is still a potential match in a Martin for Tatar trade. Or Martin + for Nyqvist.

Wow, TIOPS was quoted in an article.

Might as well use Ek as a source.

If Sutter just wants to get closer to UFA, why wouldn't he just have gone to arbitration?

Sutter will be signed soon - there's really no rush right now.
- hardnosed

There might not be a rush, but it feels like every day that passes without a deal and every turned down offer makes it more likely we trade him.

I have no idea where Spaling is in negotiations. I wonder if his price is dependent on what Sutter signs for.

So who exactly is available from the Oilers? It seems all of their wingers are untouchable, yet they want an upgrade down the middle.

So who exactly is available from the Oilers? It seems all of their wingers are untouchable, yet they want an upgrade down the middle.
- TheRollingPuck

For the right price every player should be available aside from Hall and Nuge.

So who exactly is available from the Oilers? It seems all of their wingers are untouchable, yet they want an upgrade down the middle.
- TheRollingPuck

You're dealing with a Canadian team. All their players are completely over valued and most likely off limits unless Crosby is involved. I never see an Oiler fan willing to deal Hall, Yak, RNH, Eberle, 1st rnd, even Hemsky pretty much off limits. I wish they did an anonymous survey at the end of every yr of how many players have LNTC clause and put EDM and PEG on their no trade list?

One of the Oil fans on this site listed the names they moved or didn't sign recently, I didn't recognize hardly any of them.

So who exactly is available from the Oilers? It seems all of their wingers are untouchable, yet they want an upgrade down the middle.
- TheRollingPuck

Schultz maybe? I really don't know how they think they're gonna get a 2C if they think the entire team is part of their core and everyone that falls into the category of "core group" is untouchable. At a certain point they're gonna have to part with one of these "core" guys if they want to upgrade and move forward.

You're dealing with a Canadian team. All their players are completely over valued and most likely off limits unless Crosby is involved. I never see an Oiler fan willing to deal Hall, Yak, RNH, Eberle, 1st rnd, even Hemsky pretty much off limits. I wish they did an anonymous survey at the end of every yr of how many players have LNTC clause and put EDM and PEG on their no trade list?

One of the Oil fans on this site listed the names they moved or didn't sign recently, I didn't recognize hardly any of them.
- sammy87

Why would we deal Hall? He is something like 6th points over the last two seasons and likely higher in points per game.

Why deal Nuge unless we get a centre that's a bit older back. What centre would be available?

Why deal Yak when he's at low perceived value when there is a good chance he recovers?

1st round pick is likely in play for a mid twenty year old player. If you read the proposals we get, it's usually a mid thirty year old player passed his prime and they will say "LOL you need to improve so make this deal"

I'm all for dealing Eberle for the right player back. I'd package Eberle for a Centre or top dman if they are available.

Most of what we need are tough to acquire which is why we need to draft them:

- top pairing dmen - hopefully Nurse, Klefbom or Marincin turns into that for us

- Centre - Nuge and Draisaitl

By all means, provide us a trade scenario (as I asked you before) for that top dman or top 6 centre and we will oblige.

Edit: Who on Pittsburgh, aside from the obvious, would be available and improve our team over the player we are giving up? Sutter and Despres would not improve us at the cost of Yak or Perron.

Schultz maybe? I really don't know how they think they're gonna get a 2C if they think the entire team is part of their core and everyone that falls into the category of "core group" is untouchable. At a certain point they're gonna have to part with one of these "core" guys if they want to upgrade and move forward.
- Victoro311

Schultz could be had for a 2C or another right shot dman.

Edit: To clarify, we would likely have to add in the deal I would think for the 2C

Why would we deal Hall? He is something like 6th points over the last two seasons and likely higher in points per game.

Why deal Nuge unless we get a centre that's a bit older back. What centre would be available?

Why deal Yak when he's at low perceived value when there is a good chance he recovers?

1st round pick is likely in play for a mid twenty year old player. If you read the proposals we get, it's usually a mid thirty year old player passed his prime and they will say "LOL you need to improve so make this deal"

I'm all for dealing Eberle for the right player back. I'd package Eberle for a Centre or top dman if they are available.

Most of what we need are tough to acquire which is why we need to draft them:

- top pairing dmen - hopefully Nurse, Klefbom or Marincin turns into that for us

- Centre - Nuge and Draisaitl

By all means, provide us a trade scenario (as I asked you before) for that top dman or top 6 centre and we will oblige.
- ystoil

You do realize you have to give something to get something? D prospects do nothing for you? But if Sutter and Pouliott do nothing to get Perron then I am afraid nothing ever will. You would be moving a 1 time 28G scorer, for a solid 3C and D prospect. Seems fair to me.

I go back to Kaberle when every Leaf fan thought he was worth a Kings ransom every deadline. I never remember hearing his name after he was dealt, is he still playing?

You do realize you have to give something to get something? D prospects do nothing for you? But if Sutter and Pouliott do nothing to get Perron then I am afraid nothing ever will. You would be moving a 1 time 28G scorer, for a solid 3C and D prospect. Seems fair to me.

I go back to Kaberle when every Leaf fan thought he was worth a Kings ransom every deadline. I never remember hearing his name after he was dealt, is he still playing?
- sammy87

I realize that perfectly fine. What you're not understanding is why would we move Perron for a 3C and a prospect that we have in spades (left shot dmen).

Instead, it would be smarter to move perron + something (like our 1st) for that 2C or top pairing dman if available (which they aren't). For instance Perron + for Eric Staal (since Carolina is trying to shed salary). Both have two years left.

If we start moving our star players that we had to suffer in order to acquire (Pens fans should be able to empathize here), why would we move them for lesser parts? Why can't we add picks/prospects to trade up? We would be right back to the Oilers of the 90s and early 2000s where we finish 9th every year.

If the right players aren't available, I'd rather keep building through the draft and free agency then moving a 55 point winger for a 26 point Centre and a prospect we have lots of.

You're dealing with a Canadian team. All their players are completely over valued and most likely off limits unless Crosby is involved. I never see an Oiler fan willing to deal Hall, Yak, RNH, Eberle, 1st rnd, even Hemsky pretty much off limits. I wish they did an anonymous survey at the end of every yr of how many players have LNTC clause and put EDM and PEG on their no trade list?

One of the Oil fans on this site listed the names they moved or didn't sign recently, I didn't recognize hardly any of them.
- sammy87

I definitely have seen Canadian teams overvaluing their players. However, these specific Oilers fans on the thread today have been very rational, imo.

I definitely have seen Canadian teams overvaluing their players. However, these specific Oilers fans on the thread today have been very rational, imo.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I realize that perfectly fine. What you're not understanding is why would we move Perron for a 3C and a prospect that we have in spades (left shot dmen).

Instead, it would be smarter to move perron + something (like our 1st) for that 2C or top pairing dman if available (which they aren't). For instance Perron + for Eric Staal (since Carolina is trying to shed salary). Both have two years left.

If we start moving our star players that we had to suffer in order to acquire (Pens fans should be able to empathize here), why would we move them for lesser parts? Why can't we add picks/prospects to trade up? We would be right back to the Oilers of the 90s and early 2000s where we finish 9th every year.

If the right players aren't available, I'd rather keep building through the draft and free agency then moving a 55 point winger for a 26 point Centre and a prospect we have lots of.
- ystoil

I'm not saying there is a trade to be made with the Pens (I don't think there is) but using the Sutter/D prospect example I think is the type of value you can expect on a return for Perron unless like you said the Oilers add something.

With regards to star players, there is only 1 Pen I think is untouchable and I think Shero made a mistake and the team is what it is today, well last season and the last 5 because of hanging on to too many stars. There was an opp to trade Malkin, I think they should have. Too late now. Besides I know Hall and RNH are still very young, but until they put up big pts I wouldn't consider them star players yet. With all those 1st rndrs and stars the Oil are still at the bottom every yr. They should be turning the corner.

Besides I know Hall and RNH are still very young, but until they put up big pts I wouldn't consider them star players yet.
- sammy87

Ya Hall hasn't proven anything He's 6th in the league over the last two years. Ahead of "superstars" Kane, Toews, and Tavares. 130 points in 120 games played.

Ya Hall hasn't proven anything He's 6th in the league over the last two years. Ahead of "superstars" Kane, Toews, and Tavares. 130 points in 120 games played.
- eerie13

BFD, its a crap team that is always in the bottom. So by your standards Hall is better than Kane, Toews, Malkin, OV, Kopitar, Tavares...Give me a break!

BFD, its a crap team that is always in the bottom. So by your standards Hall is better than Kane, Toews, Malkin, OV, Kopitar, Tavares...Give me a break!
- sammy87

Whats the "crap team" got to do with anything? You said he had to put up points to be considered a star. I gave you the stats proving he has. As for being better than Kane or Toews, i'd say he's right with them. The fact he's on a "crap team" and still putting up those points with no veteran supporting cast, only reinforces that. As for going back and forth about this with you, I see you're one of those people that can't admit they're wrong, so i'm not going to bother, the stats speak for themselves.

I realize that perfectly fine. What you're not understanding is why would we move Perron for a 3C and a prospect that we have in spades (left shot dmen).

Instead, it would be smarter to move perron + something (like our 1st) for that 2C or top pairing dman if available (which they aren't). For instance Perron + for Eric Staal (since Carolina is trying to shed salary). Both have two years left.

If we start moving our star players that we had to suffer in order to acquire (Pens fans should be able to empathize here), why would we move them for lesser parts? Why can't we add picks/prospects to trade up? We would be right back to the Oilers of the 90s and early 2000s where we finish 9th every year.

If the right players aren't available, I'd rather keep building through the draft and free agency then moving a 55 point winger for a 26 point Centre and a prospect we have lots of.
- ystoil

This makes complete sense. One trade I could have seen happen before is letang for eberle. Now that letang has a limited NTC, I can't imagine him wanting to go there now.

Besides I know Hall and RNH are still very young, but until they put up big pts I wouldn't consider them star players yet. With all those 1st rndrs and stars the Oil are still at the bottom every yr. They should be turning the corner.
- sammy87

Hall finished 7th in scoring this season with 80 points in 75 games. With the 7 missed games he could have ended up with 85 points putting him 4th. He's at that level.

I definitely have seen Canadian teams overvaluing their players. However, these specific Oilers fans on the thread today have been very rational, imo.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yeah I've agreed with almost everything they've said, and ystoil's posts in particular have been on point. The fact of the matter is that Perron's contract is too good to give up for average Sutter and a D prospect, and Yak's potential is still too high to justify trading him at his current value. The only way we enter into a marriage with EDM involving Sutter is for a middling draft pick. In fact, the only way we enter a marriage with any team involving Sutter is for middling draft picks.

We get on these Canadian teams for overvaluing their players, well we gotta start looking at ours for what they are too. Sutter is a player who has been nothing but average to sub par his entire career and is not locked up long term to a ridiculously well valued contract. His only saving grace is that he's shown the occasional flash of brilliance and still has a marginal amount of potential and could become a consistently average to slightly above average 3C.