I mean yeah, we'd love Perron and Sutter is replaceable, but I don't think Sutter/Dumoulin or Despres is going to get Perron. If Scuderi wasn't such a dumpster fire last season maybe he could have garnered some attention, they need top 4 ready guys, not question marks.
- cygnus41

We need a two C... wanna give us Malkin for Perron? /end sarcasm

I don't know much Pittsburgh players, whom would be some good centre prospects?

Sutter, despres is fair value IMO. I'd add a third rounder...only because need a winger so badly.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I agree it is fair value, but we just do not need another d prospect.besides Sutter , you don't have much that interests us

We need a two C... wanna give us Malkin for Perron? /end sarcasm

I don't know much Pittsburgh players, whom would be some good centre prospects?
- Oilers4Life14

Lol @ idea of Penguins forward prospects

Seriously, the closest thing we have to a good center prospect is Oskar Sundqvist who's ceiling is pretty much a poor man's Jordan Staal with a little bit more bite.

The guy that's kinda boom or bust is Teddy Blueger who could turn out to be a nice playmaking 2C or wing. I like him a lot and have faith in him, but he is far off from a blue chip prospect.

I have a bias towards Yak. I think he's an excellent player who has been misused, mistreated, and poorly developed in the Oiler's organization. Unfortunately, he is in a very similar situation as Letang. He was the first overall two year ago, had a pretty good rookie season, and then slumped hard this past season. Any smart GM would realize that his value is at an all time low and will refuse to sell him at this point. Unless Yak is in the dog house with EDM big time and the organization truly views him as a bust, we will not get him.

I think the D guy that we move in the Perron trade would be Despres. EDM needs a guy that can make an impact immediately, and Despres is there. He's been a full time NHL for about two years now and just hasn't found a niche in our organization. I like Despres, but I think he needs a change of scenery, and our depth at near NHL ready D prospects makes him very expendable. Perron for Sutter and Despres would strongly benefit both sides (and the players involved), but I'm not sure if EDM pulls the trigger because Perron has one of the best contracts in all of hockey.
- Victoro311

I think you've got a good feel of the Yak situation in your first paragraph. Yak has some holes in his game, so it's not entirely the Oilers fault, but I didn't like how he was treated last year. Started out in the bottom 6, got healthy scratches, PP time varied through the year, had games with 6 min a night.

It was also unequal treatment between him and Hall/Nuge/Eberle where a guy like Eberle would cough up the puck and there'd be no consequences. I think if Yak can learn to dish the puck in the d zone or neutral zone then get open as the 3rd/high guy in the offensive zone, he will be a big threat.

I like Despres but unless we off load one of Nikitin, Marincin (showed serious promise last year), Ference, not sure where he fits on our blue line.

I wouldn't be surprised that the Oilers are interested in Sutter but there is no way that Perron is going the other way even when the Penguins add. He's scored 28 goals (tied for first on the Oilers) at a 3.8 cap hit. That is crazy good value for any team. The Oilers have lots of D Prospects and I think they have settled on their game plan for the blue line this season. Hopefully the Oilers solve their problem at center (they are way too thin) but they aren't going to rob Peter to pay Paul. With Yakupov playing so poorly losing Perron would totally weaken the second line.
- kahammer

This big time.

Just don't see why Edm would do the proposed deals.

If its Sutter and Despres going out, gotta have more than Perron coming in. Perhaps a draft pick.

Plus, would Sutter resign there? That's the biggest monkey wrench in the whole trade proposal.

We need a two C... wanna give us Malkin for Perron? /end sarcasm

I don't know much Pittsburgh players, whom would be some good centre prospects?
- Oilers4Life14

I actually think Sutter would be a good 2nd line center as long as he has good wingers. We talk about how well he played in the playoffs and I think that was primarily due to being bumped up to 2nd line center and playing with competent wingers.

Then you could eventually slide him down to the 3rd when Draisatl is ready.

I think you've got a good feel of the Yak situation in your first paragraph. Yak has some holes in his game, so it's not entirely the Oilers fault, but I didn't like how he was treated last year. Started out in the bottom 6, got healthy scratches, PP time varied through the year, had games with 6 min a night.

It was also unequal treatment between him and Hall/Nuge/Eberle where a guy like Eberle would cough up the puck and there'd be no consequences. I think if Yak can learn to dish the puck in the d zone or neutral zone then get open as the 3rd/high guy in the offensive zone, he will be a big threat.

I like Despres but unless we off load one of Nikitin, Marincin (showed serious promise last year), Ference, not sure where he fits on our blue line.
- ystoil

How long do you guys have those guys under contract for? Despres is a blue chip prospect that is ready to play a full NHL season and has the potential to become a menace in the top 4. He's a bottom pairing D man this season, but he'll be an upgrade over all of those guys except for maybe Marincin in a few years. A D core of Shultz, Marincin, and Despres in the top 4 actually looks good. Shultz the puck mover, Marincin the PP QB, and Despres the big bodied two way D man. You gotta admit its appealing.

This big time.

Just don't see why Edm would do the proposed deals.

If its Sutter and Despres going out, gotta have more than Perron coming in. Perhaps a draft pick.

Plus, would Sutter resign there? That's the biggest monkey wrench in the whole trade proposal.
- 87_71_11_29

I was assuming this would be a sign and trade scenario.

What happens if Sutter doesn't sign a new deal?

Perron is in the sweet spot of what we need. Edm needs centers. The basis is there. If edm doesn't want another d prospect..would anyone do Sutter and a first?


No to the FA guys. Ahl call ups would be just as good.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Even less interested in another pick than another d prospect.

Its not even that the value is terrible (despres is very tempting), its that the trade doesnt do much for the oilers. Pereon is much more vital to us

Why is everyone saying Sutter isn't enough to get Perron? If we are adding Despres, that has as much value as Sutter, imo, its not just a throw in. Or if we traded Sutter and a 1st.

Edit - I understand Perron's value you to Edm. But my point is you have to look at the whole package and not just Sutter for Perron.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Its not just about perceived value and then good to go.

U could offer a deal that has more 'value', but it doesnt make the oilers better with losing perron.

Dont want d prospects. Dont want picks.

And dont really wanna move perron fot anything less than a slam dunk

I have a bias towards Yak. I think he's an excellent player who has been misused, mistreated, and poorly developed in the Oiler's organization. Unfortunately, he is in a very similar situation as Letang. He was the first overall two year ago, had a pretty good rookie season, and then slumped hard this past season. Any smart GM would realize that his value is at an all time low and will refuse to sell him at this point. Unless Yak is in the dog house with EDM big time and the organization truly views him as a bust, we will not get him.

I think the D guy that we move in the Perron trade would be Despres. EDM needs a guy that can make an impact immediately, and Despres is there. He's been a full time NHL for about two years now and just hasn't found a niche in our organization. I like Despres, but I think he needs a change of scenery, and our depth at near NHL ready D prospects makes him very expendable. Perron for Sutter and Despres would strongly benefit both sides (and the players involved), but I'm not sure if EDM pulls the trigger because Perron has one of the best contracts in all of hockey.
- Victoro311

You hit the nail on the head with Yakupov. He has been totally mismanaged in Edmonton. Anyone saying they would to want Yak on the pens is nuts. Perron would be nice but the potential a player of Yakupovs skill set lined up with Crosby is way to high to pass up. If pens can work a deal to get this kid they should do it. I'd bet my house Crosby makes him a 40 goal scorer.

Its not just about perceived value and then good to go.

U could offer a deal that has more 'value', but it doesnt make the oilers better with losing perron.

Dont want d prospects. Dont want picks.

And dont really wanna move perron fot anything less than a slam dunk
- hugefemale dog77

Right, I understand that. My point was that many people seemed to be saying "Perron is better than Sutter so no trade could ever happen." Just making a point.

But again, we don't sound like good trade partners. Sutter, Despres, and maybe another center prospect are the only pieces we could give up that would interest you guys.

You hit the nail on the head with Yakupov. He has been totally mismanaged in Edmonton. Anyone saying they would to want Yak on the pens is nuts. Perron would be nice but the potential a player of Yakupovs skill set lined up with Crosby is way to high to pass up. If pens can work a deal to get this kid they should do it. I'd bet my house Crosby makes him a 40 goal scorer.
- stackthepads

This 100%. It would be destructive, although I've always seen him lined up on Geno's right. Imagine the firepower of Malkin and Yak with Hornqvist cleaning up the trash. It makes me salivate.

Even less interested in another pick than another d prospect.

Its not even that the value is terrible (despres is very tempting), its that the trade doesnt do much for the oilers. Pereon is much more vital to us
- hugefemale dog77

Would you be more inclined to deal Yakupov? The reason we want Perron is exactly the reason why Edmonton shouldn't be trading him. He is a harder nosed player who compliments your top end talent very well. He's your Kunitz and should be a fixture on your top line with Hall and RNH.
Yakupov though I think you guys can afford to trade. You have and abundance of top end wingers, and honestly he doesn't look too happy playing there. I think a line of Eberle sutter pouliot would be an effective 2nd line.

Ofcourse Sutter is not going to get Yak, what would you be looking to get in a deal from us for Yakupov?

This 100%. It would be destructive, although I've always seen him lined up on Geno's right. Imagine the firepower of Malkin and Yak with Hornqvist cleaning up the trash. It makes me salivate.
- Victoro311

Well you can't really go wrong with either. But I certainly agree that Hornqvist on that line is just the cherry on top for my perfect line.
Generational play making center, super elite sniper, garbage collector!

Would you be more inclined to deal Yakupov? The reason we want Perron is exactly the reason why Edmonton shouldn't be trading him. He is a harder nosed player who compliments your top end talent very well. He's your Kunitz and should be a fixture on your top line with Hall and RNH.
Yakupov though I think you guys can afford to trade. You have and abundance of top end wingers, and honestly he doesn't look too happy playing there. I think a line of Eberle sutter pouliot would be an effective 2nd line.

Ofcourse Sutter is not going to get Yak, what would you be looking to get in a deal from us for Yakupov?
- stackthepads

Yes, please tell us so I can tweet at Rutherford and get the wheels rolling.

I was assuming this would be a sign and trade scenario.

What happens if Sutter doesn't sign a new deal?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Odds are, unless EDM pays sutter $5.5+ he wouldn't sign long term there.

Would you be more inclined to deal Yakupov? The reason we want Perron is exactly the reason why Edmonton shouldn't be trading him. He is a harder nosed player who compliments your top end talent very well. He's your Kunitz and should be a fixture on your top line with Hall and RNH.
Yakupov though I think you guys can afford to trade. You have and abundance of top end wingers, and honestly he doesn't look too happy playing there. I think a line of Eberle sutter pouliot would be an effective 2nd line.

Ofcourse Sutter is not going to get Yak, what would you be looking to get in a deal from us for Yakupov?
- stackthepads

Itd be selling super low on yaks id assume.
While our strength is on the wings, getting rid of yaks guts that strength and really only gives us one bonafide guy on the right side.

Id consider it for a guy like Simmonds + or somethin, but even then we added some size thru free agency already. Not to replace our talent, but compliment it.

I just dont think theres a trade to be made with sutter or d prospects. We need a true a 2c. But even then, just a stop gap. And prob dont want to pay a ton for that...

Amazing to see two fanbases agree that the value pretty much doesn't sync up and there isn't a good fit here. Keep up the god work everyone

Itd be selling super low on yaks id assume.
While our strength is on the wings, getting rid of yaks guts that strength and really only gives us one bonafide guy on the right side.

Id consider it for a guy like Simmonds + or somethin, but even then we added some size thru free agency already. Not to replace our talent, but compliment it.

I just dont think theres a trade to be made with sutter or d prospects. We need a true a 2c. But even then, just a stop gap. And prob dont want to pay a ton for that...
- hugefemale dog77

Scuderi for Yakupov.

Sutter/Despres is probably the highest I'd go to acquire Perron or Yakupov.

Despres will be good for years. The guy is a beast. He's ready to step right in.

Scuderi for Yakupov.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

- ystoil

Sutter/Dumoulin/3rd RP for Perron

Would you be more inclined to deal Yakupov? The reason we want Perron is exactly the reason why Edmonton shouldn't be trading him. He is a harder nosed player who compliments your top end talent very well. He's your Kunitz and should be a fixture on your top line with Hall and RNH.
Yakupov though I think you guys can afford to trade. You have and abundance of top end wingers, and honestly he doesn't look too happy playing there. I think a line of Eberle sutter pouliot would be an effective 2nd line.

Ofcourse Sutter is not going to get Yak, what would you be looking to get in a deal from us for Yakupov?
- stackthepads

I think there is too much disparity in value on Pittsburgh's roster

High End: Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Kunitz

Mid: Dupuis, Sutter, Martin, Spaling, Hornquist

What we would want for Yak is likely in between those two spectrums. I would include Maata and Pouliot in high value but we wouldn't move Yak for those guys as it adds more of what we have - left shot young/prospect dmen.

Just don't see a deal. Now if James Neal was still a penguin, there would be a solid deal that could be formulated for either Yak, Perron, or heck even Eberle.

Sutter/Dumoulin/3rd RP for Perron
- Barnaby36

I think a three way deal would have to be formulated.