I think JR is waiting for the Spaling situation to get resolved first. Once that happens, they will probably make a couple of moves.

I think JR is waiting for the Spaling situation to get resolved first. Once that happens, they will probably make a couple of moves.
- joescullz

Perron is worth a lot to the oilers not just for points but style of play....getting under the skin of opponents etc...
Mind you Oilers got a great deal for him and he's in a good contract.
Imagine if it was the pens deal of Sutter and prospect for what the Oilers paid in Magnus pajarvi plus a lower draft pick....Edmonton would be all over that lol
Unfortunately his stock has risen and they won't trade him now for that kind of deal

These are nice memories haha. You need a gif of the D. Pouliot knockout
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Not everything was made into gifs -_-

Personally, I think that if Oilers trade one of Perron or Yakupov, it should be for a more established 2C and not a 3C with second line potential. TBH, I think they should get a veteran to support the young players and give time to Draisaitl to develop properly.

I think Sutter is a solid 3C, but the Oilers don't need a 3C. They already have Boyd Gordon who fills that role nicely. What the Oilers need is a 2C, one who can score. Sutter is a solid checking center but is not a scoring center. Round peg, square hole. Then again, the Oilers are good at finding these for some reason.

I like Sutter, but not in Edmonton as long as Boyd Gordon is there. Too much of the same.

Yakupov no. Perron yes.
- Grinder47

Agreed , don't like Yak , Perron is awesome sand would work well on Pens. This is very unlikely as Sutter + despres is not enough for Perrons value, Sutter was fair to poor during regular season last year and then for some reason decided to play strong in playoffs (not complaining)? Perron is too valuable to Edm for them to trade him, don't see this happening but we can always hope I still am baffled that Sutter wouldn't file for arbitration ? Lost any and all leverage ? Can anyone explain that ?

I think Sutter is a solid 3C, but the Oilers don't need a 3C. They already have Boyd Gordon who fills that role nicely. What the Oilers need is a 2C, one who can score. Sutter is a solid checking center but is not a scoring center. Round peg, square hole. Then again, the Oilers are good at finding these for some reason.

I like Sutter, but not in Edmonton as long as Boyd Gordon is there. Too much of the same.
- Axeman33

Sutter has shown flashes of scoring ability when supported by good players. He did well in the playoffs playing with jussi and Neal. That being said if I were Edmonton I wouldn't do this deal unless it's something like sutter prospect and 2nd. Even then I might pass

As a few of the other oiler guys stated, a Perron or yak deal for Sutter doesn't make sense for us in terms of value given up.

We could use Sutter for sure, no denying that. We'd be selling low on a 20 year old winger with potential or selling low on Perron who had a career year.

Had James Neal remained a penguin, I would've liked a Perron + something for Neal + Sutter type deal. Or Maybe eberle.

Only thing I could see is us moving a prospect and a pick for Sutter but I don't think Pitts likes that.

Why is everyone saying Sutter isn't enough to get Perron? If we are adding Despres, that has as much value as Sutter, imo, its not just a throw in. Or if we traded Sutter and a 1st.

Edit - I understand Perron's value you to Edm. But my point is you have to look at the whole package and not just Sutter for Perron.

I think Sutter is a solid 3C, but the Oilers don't need a 3C. They already have Boyd Gordon who fills that role nicely. What the Oilers need is a 2C, one who can score. Sutter is a solid checking center but is not a scoring center. Round peg, square hole. Then again, the Oilers are good at finding these for some reason.

I like Sutter, but not in Edmonton as long as Boyd Gordon is there. Too much of the same.
- Axeman33

You realize that this is Brandon Sutter right?

I was listening to Dejan K fill in for Madden the other day, and he said Dumoulin didn't look very good at the Pens prospect camp. He also said the teams forward prospect group is just terrible (not exactly news I guess). The lone exception of course is KK. He basically called that camp the Kasperi Kapanen show.

I also read the Sutter article on TIOPS. He said Sutter's agent is pushing for a one year deal only......which gets him to UFA status where they believe he's a 5 mil player. If Sutter is only willing to accept a one year deal, that really ruins his trade value.

I was listening to Dejan K fill in for Madden the other day, and he said Dumoulin didn't look very good at the Pens prospect camp. He also said the teams forward prospect group is just terrible (not exactly news I guess). The lone exception of course is KK. He basically called that camp the Kasperi Kapanen show.

I also read the Sutter article on TIOPS. He said Sutter's agent is pushing for a one year deal only......which gets him to UFA status where they believe he's a 5 mil player. If Sutter is only willing to accept a one year deal, that really ruins his trade value.
- madmike71

If Sutter is making as much as James Neal was.....

I'm not too concerned about a non-scouts opinion on one scrimmage. Dumo, by all accounts, played quite well during the playoff run in WBS.

Speaking of Kapanen, just read these quotes:

Mark Staudinger @MarkStaudz
Easily most interesting 2014 NHL Draft note is how highly media thought (i.e. fans) of Kasperi Kapanen and how little scouts felt about him.

Mark Staudinger @MarkStaudz
I talked to at least a dozen NHL scouts and all felt Kasperi Kapanen wasn't a Top 20 pick, yet most in media had him as high as a Top 10....

You realize that this is Brandon Sutter right?
- nbartley9

I sure do.

0 interest in Yak coming anywhere near the Pens.

Sutter is being a Dbag, he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. $5mil? give me a break!

0 interest in Yak coming anywhere near the Pens.

Sutter is being a Dbag, he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. $5mil? give me a break!
- sammy87

Ya if he even gets close to that we're on our way to another lockout!

Sather wouldn't pay Cally, but he gives $5mil per to Brassard?? Strange league

0 interest in Yak coming anywhere near the Pens.

Sutter is being a Dbag, he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. $5mil? give me a break!
- sammy87

If we can buy low on Yak's, it's a risk I would take. If EDM wants a ransom, no way in h*ll.

didnt realize Perron was only 26. sign me up.

i always thought he played LW with STL, but he might have converted to RW with Hall on the left.

Kunitz-Crosby-Perron
Hornqvist-Malkin-Bennett
Spaling-Goc-Dupuis

good top 9 to me.

I read on TIOPS that scouts like 2 guys for the penguins... i dont have access so i never saw who they were but based on the picture and my opinion, i think the 2 are Ryan Carter and Dustin Penner.

thoughts on those two?
- SuperHenderson13

The 2 players TIOPS listed were 1. Setoguchi and 2. Carter. Penner was an honorable mention.

The 2 players TIOPS listed were 1. Setoguchi and 2. Carter. Penner was an honorable mention.
- errey12

No interest in Carter.

Would any of you take the Gooch for a mil if Sutter is traded...lets just say for futures/ cap dump.

If we can buy low on Yak's, it's a risk I would take. If EDM wants a ransom, no way in h*ll.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I don't think any team, incl the Oilers, would sell low on a 20 year old 1st round pick (especially a 1st overall), who showed promise in year 1 and struggled in year 2 with a new coach.

You guys may not be a fan of Yak, but him on Crosby or Malkins wing would look pretty good. He has the shot and tenacity, just needs the right linemates. We hope we have that in Draisaitl.

No interest in Carter.

Would any of you take the Gooch for a mil if Sutter is traded...lets just say for futures/ cap dump.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

That's where the Oilers could help

That's where the Oilers could help
- ystoil

Moroz + ?

I have a bias towards Yak. I think he's an excellent player who has been misused, mistreated, and poorly developed in the Oiler's organization. Unfortunately, he is in a very similar situation as Letang. He was the first overall two year ago, had a pretty good rookie season, and then slumped hard this past season. Any smart GM would realize that his value is at an all time low and will refuse to sell him at this point. Unless Yak is in the dog house with EDM big time and the organization truly views him as a bust, we will not get him.

I think the D guy that we move in the Perron trade would be Despres. EDM needs a guy that can make an impact immediately, and Despres is there. He's been a full time NHL for about two years now and just hasn't found a niche in our organization. I like Despres, but I think he needs a change of scenery, and our depth at near NHL ready D prospects makes him very expendable. Perron for Sutter and Despres would strongly benefit both sides (and the players involved), but I'm not sure if EDM pulls the trigger because Perron has one of the best contracts in all of hockey.

No interest in Carter.

Would any of you take the Gooch for a mil if Sutter is traded...lets just say for futures/ cap dump.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

I've said it several times, I'd pull the trigger on a 1 mil 1 year Gucci any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. Its literally a no lose situation. If he works out, great! Fills a huge need. If he doesn't, what's the harm in scratching him, and he'd be a good reserve to have when the injury bug inevitably hits the Pens again.

I have a bias towards Yak. I think he's an excellent player who has been misused, mistreated, and poorly developed in the Oiler's organization. Unfortunately, he is in a very similar situation as Letang. He was the first overall two year ago, had a pretty good rookie season, and then slumped hard this past season. Any smart GM would realize that his value is at an all time low and will refuse to sell him at this point. Unless Yak is in the dog house with EDM big time and the organization truly views him as a bust, we will not get him.

I think the D guy that we move in the Perron trade would be Despres. EDM needs a guy that can make an impact immediately, and Despres is there. He's been a full time NHL for about two years now and just hasn't found a niche in our organization. I like Despres, but I think he needs a change of scenery, and our depth at near NHL ready D prospects makes him very expendable. Perron for Sutter and Despres would strongly benefit both sides (and the players involved), but I'm not sure if EDM pulls the trigger because Perron has one of the best contracts in all of hockey.
- Victoro311

If Sutter, Despres, and a 3rd doesn't get us Perron. Then we would be overpaying with any package better than that, imo. However, you are right...on that contract...EDM has no reason to move him so it would need to be a "overwhelming package".

Yaks is more likely to move out of the two, but likely would cost more to acquire...if that makes sense. And yes, I would take a chance on Yaks next to Sid or Geno.

If Sutter, Despres, and a 3rd doesn't get us Perron. Then we would be overpaying with any package better than that, imo. However, you are right...on that contract...EDM has no reason to move him so it would need to be a "overwhelming package".

Yaks is more likely to move out of the two, but likely would cost more to acquire...if that makes sense. And yes, I would take a chance on Yaks next to Sid or Geno.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Yeah that makes sense, and it's what I'm thinking too. In either case we are going to overpay, so it becomes a question of how much of an overpayment it is for each, assessing the packages, and then making a decision over which overpayment is more worth it.

Honestly, I don't have much hope for either. Perron's contract is too good, and Yak's value is too low vs. high potential for any competent GM to move at this time. In fact, I don't have much confidence that any Sutter-centric package will bring back that mythical top 6 forward, especially if we don't want to give up next year's 1st (which we shouldn't). I mean, think about it. A third line center with very limited top 6 potential, who's only proof that he can be a solid contributor is a far gone sophomore season and one playoff performance? To a certain extent I'm a Sutter bliever and would rather have him on the team for 3.5 than not, but why would you ever give up a key piece for that and a completely unproven prospect? If we trade Sutter, its gonna be Sutter stand alone for middling draft picks. Count it.