We couldn't get Ellerby who signed a 2 way contract for $700k for Reimer?


- Garnie

A better GM probably could. But we are talking about a guy who had to add a pick to Gunnarsson to get Roman Polak.

bernier is the starter and reimer is the backup
reimer can get a few more starts than the average backup if he deserves it but thats it. Bernier wanted out of a cup contending team beause he wasn't getting a chance to be a starter, he will do the same here.

Fleury doesn't get nearly enough credit for the bounce back he had last year. put up really solid regular season numbers and had identical numbers in the playoffs. he is far from Pittsburgh's biggest problem.
- DoubleDown

Fleury has been over-rated his entire career.

Starting with a WJC choke, the guy has always come up small.

And Pittsburgh won their cup despite him, not because of him.

Triple Bingo

I have never seen a Leafs team as incapable of clearing the puck out of their own end as last year.

The so called compete level to win those battles to make the defensive play necessary to get the puck out was just not there.

Doughty made the comment the Leafs were easy to play against because so many guys cheated to go on offense. Until that changes I can't take the team seriously.
- Rang

Tyler Dellow (mc79hockey) made some good points yesterday. I've always complained about the lack of pressure from the Leafs when they dump in for a line change; everybody heads off and the other team can skate the puck out unimpeded. He pointed out that that is exactly what they do when they lose an OZone face off also; everybody turns to head back to try and protect against a chip-out (that doesn't come due to lack of pressure), and allows the other team to carry the puck out and get set up.

I'm not yet ready to put it down to lack of compete when it's so glaringly obvious that the system is flawed. Let's be honest, they guys seem to care, they just seem to be told the wrong thing. In the O-zone they give up way too much space to the guy with the puck allowing him to bring it out. In the D-zone, it's the opposite; everybody collapses towards the puck-carrier, leaving at least one or two of his teammates open in front of the net or at the points.

I really hope that Spott and Horachek can help to turn this poop around.

A better GM probably could. But we are talking about a guy who had to add a pick to Gunnarsson to get Roman Polak.
- TheThrill

meh, we will see..I'm hoping Polak is what we need

A better GM probably could. But we are talking about a guy who had to add a pick to Gunnarsson to get Roman Polak.
- TheThrill

Gunner has the hip problem and I'll bet it was us who sought out Polak....

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A better GM probably could. But we are talking about a guy who had to add a pick to Gunnarsson to get Roman Polak.
- TheThrill

Something I'd like to point out about the Polak trade (and this is in praise of Phaneuf):

We traded Gunnarson (one of the two guys on our top pairing) for a guy who was 3rd pairing in St. Louis.

Now I will grant you that St. Louis has a much better defence than Toronto. But still...

So we traded a top pairing guy for a 3rd pairing guy, and we still had to kick in a draft pick.

I know the easy thing to say is that Nonis is an idiot, blah blah blah.

But the simple truth is this: Phaneuf played with dog poop last year.

Gunner has the hip problem and I'll bet it was us who sought out Polak....
- jimi james

Probably, but the numbers show Gunnar to be much more significant to the Leafs D than Polak was for the Blues. The fact that Nonis had to add just leaves a bad taste

Something I'd like to point out about the Polak trade (and this is in praise of Phaneuf):

We traded Gunnarson (one of the two guys on our top pairing) for a guy who was 3rd pairing in St. Louis.

Now I will grant you that St. Louis has a much better defence than Toronto. But still...

So we traded a top pairing guy for a 3rd pairing guy, and we still had to kick in a draft pick.

I know the easy thing to say is that Nonis is an idiot, blah blah blah.

But the simple truth is this: Phaneuf played with dog poop last year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Dion has played with dog poop ever since he came here. Still think the Polak trade was a loss for the Leafs, regardless of how decent he ends up being. It should have been player for player.

Dion has played with dog poop ever since he came here. Still think the Polak trade was a loss for the Leafs, regardless of how decent he ends up being. It should have been player for player.
- TheThrill

To be honest, I have no idea who or what Polak is.

I'll let you know how I feel about the trade after 25-30 games.

To be honest, I have no idea who or what Polak is.

I'll let you know how I feel about the trade after 25-30 games.
- Atomic Wedgie

derogatory reference to a person of Polish descent

To be honest, I have no idea who or what Polak is.

I'll let you know how I feel about the trade after 25-30 games.
- Atomic Wedgie

With Gunnar gone, Randy's gonna be forced to find a new partner for #3. Who do you think it will be? I'm thinking Gardiner, to start the season anyway.

By next year, though, I think Rielly-Phaneuf will be top pair, and a perfectly reasonable one

derogatory reference to a person of Polish descent
- Pea-Brain

shut up peabrain

Fleury has been over-rated his entire career.

Starting with a WJC choke, the guy has always come up small.

And Pittsburgh won their cup despite him, not because of him.
- Atomic Wedgie

the guy has been slammed since the day he was drafted. you rarely hear a positive thing said about him anymore. i have absolutely no idea how you can infer that he's overrated when pretty much all anyone ever bothers to say is that he sucks and he is Pittsburgh's biggest problem. i'm just pointing out this past season. he was very solid in both the regular season and 13 playoff games.

Tyler Dellow (mc79hockey) made some good points yesterday. I've always complained about the lack of pressure from the Leafs when they dump in for a line change; everybody heads off and the other team can skate the puck out unimpeded. He pointed out that that is exactly what they do when they lose an OZone face off also; everybody turns to head back to try and protect against a chip-out (that doesn't come due to lack of pressure), and allows the other team to carry the puck out and get set up.

I'm not yet ready to put it down to lack of compete when it's so glaringly obvious that the system is flawed. Let's be honest, they guys seem to care, they just seem to be told the wrong thing. In the O-zone they give up way too much space to the guy with the puck allowing him to bring it out. In the D-zone, it's the opposite; everybody collapses towards the puck-carrier, leaving at least one or two of his teammates open in front of the net or at the points.

I really hope that Spott and Horachek can help to turn this poop around.
- lumlums

Tyler has been throwing out tibits on the leafs like this all year..interesting stuff.
He did a post on Anaheim and how they are in the OZ..they just kill it even if they lose a FO.

imo RC needs to be let go...I am not sure what he can do to help if his system is to be thrown out. which is needs to be

A better GM probably could. But we are talking about a guy who had to add a pick to Gunnarsson to get Roman Polak.
- TheThrill

Maybe you just put too much value in Gunnarson?

Maybe you just put too much value in Gunnarson?
- Fakepartofme

Possible

Probably, but the numbers show Gunnar to be much more significant to the Leafs D than Polak was for the Blues. The fact that Nonis had to add just leaves a bad taste
- TheThrill

and retain $$ which is the difference between their salaries.

Something I'd like to point out about the Polak trade (and this is in praise of Phaneuf):

We traded Gunnarson (one of the two guys on our top pairing) for a guy who was 3rd pairing in St. Louis.

Now I will grant you that St. Louis has a much better defence than Toronto. But still...

So we traded a top pairing guy for a 3rd pairing guy, and we still had to kick in a draft pick.

I know the easy thing to say is that Nonis is an idiot, blah blah blah.

But the simple truth is this: Phaneuf played with dog poop last year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Cant expect miracles and when average Dmen, play with slightly below average dmen.

Something I'd like to point out about the Polak trade (and this is in praise of Phaneuf):

We traded Gunnarson (one of the two guys on our top pairing) for a guy who was 3rd pairing in St. Louis.

Now I will grant you that St. Louis has a much better defence than Toronto. But still...

So we traded a top pairing guy for a 3rd pairing guy, and we still had to kick in a draft pick.

I know the easy thing to say is that Nonis is an idiot, blah blah blah.

But the simple truth is this: Phaneuf played with dog poop last year.
- Atomic Wedgie

thats a terrible way to asses a trade or player
The leafs traded Gunnar for a 3rd pairing D man..so that means played with crap

My guess is that the Leafs assistnt GM does not make that trade

and yes Nonis is an idiot

With Gunnar gone, Randy's gonna be forced to find a new partner for #3. Who do you think it will be? I'm thinking Gardiner, to start the season anyway.

By next year, though, I think Rielly-Phaneuf will be top pair, and a perfectly reasonable one
- TheThrill

I they should have either traded for real number 1 or number 2 dman.
That was Nonis mistake....they needed to acquire a quality Dman to help Dion play defense.....or at least take some pressure and minutes away from him.

Now, obviously, Number 1 dman arent always available....BUT ....they could have brought in a quality defensive number 2.

Tyler Dellow (mc79hockey) made some good points yesterday. I've always complained about the lack of pressure from the Leafs when they dump in for a line change; everybody heads off and the other team can skate the puck out unimpeded. He pointed out that that is exactly what they do when they lose an OZone face off also; everybody turns to head back to try and protect against a chip-out (that doesn't come due to lack of pressure), and allows the other team to carry the puck out and get set up.

I'm not yet ready to put it down to lack of compete when it's so glaringly obvious that the system is flawed. Let's be honest, they guys seem to care, they just seem to be told the wrong thing. In the O-zone they give up way too much space to the guy with the puck allowing him to bring it out. In the D-zone, it's the opposite; everybody collapses towards the puck-carrier, leaving at least one or two of his teammates open in front of the net or at the points.

I really hope that Spott and Horachek can help to turn this poop around.
- lumlums

It is very evident they did not compete hard on the puck in both zones, I have been torturing myself watching games on NHL centre and Leafs TV (I refuse to watch BB with the girls) and seeing every game the wingers bailing on battles. Re-watching the games made it crystal clear the compete level was a HUGE problem.

Tyler has been throwing out tibits on the leafs like this all year..interesting stuff.
He did a post on Anaheim and how they are in the OZ..they just kill it even if they lose a FO.

imo RC needs to be let go...I am not sure what he can do to help if his system is to be thrown out. which is needs to be
- senstroll

He's a bit more ranty than I usually like, but most of his analysis is pretty solid.

I'm assuming that the aforementioned rantiness comes from being an Oilers fan

Something I'd like to point out about the Polak trade (and this is in praise of Phaneuf):

We traded Gunnarson (one of the two guys on our top pairing) for a guy who was 3rd pairing in St. Louis.

Now I will grant you that St. Louis has a much better defence than Toronto. But still...

So we traded a top pairing guy for a 3rd pairing guy, and we still had to kick in a draft pick.

I know the easy thing to say is that Nonis is an idiot, blah blah blah.

But the simple truth is this: Phaneuf played with dog poop last year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Not the best assessment.
Gunnar will most likely be a 3rd pairing guy on St Louis.
Difference is.....the Leafs needed a more defensive player......the leafs probably went to St Louis, not the other way around. So of course it wouldnt be a player for player trade.