Nope

I call it how I see it. As much I love to blast you guys for unrealistic posts , I give credit when there is a good post. Besides, I have NEVER discredited the Flames approach to their rebuild. My opinion has always been that they are in very good shape, and will be a solid playoff team if not contenders when Mono and Bennet are entering their primes in 4-5 years.
- Jeropotato

Then allow me to respond on kind.

Good post!

So everyone just writes Ramo off already???

Let's see how the season transpires. Ramo had a pretty solid season and really came into his own at the end of the year. If we continue to see that type of improvement there is no way they would just let him walk.

If Ramo plays great the Flames could ship Hiller at the TDL for another asset. Hopefully Hiller is playing well too. It's a super easy contract to take on for team looking for some Veteran help in net. Either that or Hiller get's dealt in the off-season.

Ramo is far from gone.

Nope

I call it how I see it. As much I love to blast you guys for unrealistic posts , I give credit when there is a good post. Besides, I have NEVER discredited the Flames approach to their rebuild. My opinion has always been that they are in very good shape, and will be a solid playoff team if not contenders when Mono and Bennet are entering their primes in 4-5 years.
- Jeropotato

Okay who the hell is this and what have you done with Gepetto...

So everyone just writes Ramo off already???

Let's see how the season transpires. Ramo had a pretty solid season and really came into his own at the end of the year. If we continue to see that type of improvement there is no way they would just let him walk.

If Ramo plays great the Flames could ship Hiller at the TDL for another asset. Hopefully Hiller is playing well too. It's a super easy contract to take on for team looking for some Veteran help in net. Either that or Hiller get's dealt in the off-season.

Ramo is far from gone.
- The-O-G

What this guy said!

So everyone just writes Ramo off already???

Let's see how the season transpires. Ramo had a pretty solid season and really came into his own at the end of the year. If we continue to see that type of improvement there is no way they would just let him walk.

If Ramo plays great the Flames could ship Hiller at the TDL for another asset. Hopefully Hiller is playing well too. It's a super easy contract to take on for team looking for some Veteran help in net. Either that or Hiller get's dealt in the off-season.

Ramo is far from gone.
- The-O-G

You do know that Hiller is probably worth less than the empties you have in your garage on the trade market.

You do know that Hiller is probably worth less than the empties you have in your garage on the trade market.
- Lahey

So what....trade him for a 6th round pick for all I care. If Ramo improves we'll be laughing.

So everyone just writes Ramo off already???

Let's see how the season transpires. Ramo had a pretty solid season and really came into his own at the end of the year. If we continue to see that type of improvement there is no way they would just let him walk.

If Ramo plays great the Flames could ship Hiller at the TDL for another asset. Hopefully Hiller is playing well too. It's a super easy contract to take on for team looking for some Veteran help in net. Either that or Hiller get's dealt in the off-season.

Ramo is far from gone.
- The-O-G

I agree with this. I am just saying that he needs to earn another contract. It is up to him to outshine Hiller. Also the playing of Ortio will also determine things.

If Ortio plays awesome in training camp or is having a great year and proves he is a NHL goalie. Ramo is the better goalie however right now. Lets face it. Next year one of Ortio, Ramo or Hiller will be gone. Gillies will be in the AHL playing as a starter. The only one without a contract next is year is Ramo which is why everyone is saying he is the odd man out.

My odds are the following
Ramo gone next year: 45%
Hiller gone next year: 35%
Ortio gone next year (or cleared waivers to play in the AHL with Gillies): 15%
Some weird combo of trades happen that 2 or more of the goalies are gone: 5%

PS the flames made the Salary Floor!

You do know that Hiller is probably worth less than the empties you have in your garage on the trade market.
- Lahey

He's no Scrivens thats for sure...

I agree with this. I am just saying that he needs to earn another contract. It is up to him to outshine Hiller. Also the playing of Ortio will also determine things.

If Ortio plays awesome in training camp or is having a great year and proves he is a NHL goalie. Ramo is the better goalie however right now. Lets face it. Next year one of Ortio, Ramo or Hiller will be gone. Gillies will be in the AHL playing as a starter. The only one without a contract next is year is Ramo which is why everyone is saying he is the odd man out.

My odds are the following
Ramo gone next year: 45%
Hiller gone next year: 35%
Ortio gone next year (or cleared waivers to play in the AHL with Gillies): 15%
Some weird combo of trades happen that 2 or more of the goalies are gone: 5%

PS the flames made the Salary Floor!
- tmurph

Yeah but if you actually watched Ramo play last year, his contract status should be irrelevant. The guy played great and was twice the goalie that Hiller was all year. Hiller may have a bounce back season but he's going to have to work his way back up, whereas Ramo was already playing strong, he just needs to keep pushing. Honestly I think the only reason that Ortio got signed to a one way in the second year is because he was likely to want to leave otherwise. Guy has worked hard for sure, but he's played all of 9 games at the NHL level. I just see Ortio as the odd man out, not Ramo.

He's no Scrivens thats for sure...
- whipper334

Well that's why we picked up the ANA backup who didn't have vertigo.

Although how (frank)ing bad is going to be if Hiller and Fasth play well and those rookies in ANA play like rookies?

You do know that Hiller is probably worth less than the empties you have in your garage on the trade market.
- Lahey

He would have been a vast improvement on anything you guys have had in years. So, go beak off elsewhere.

Well that's why we picked up the ANA backup who didn't have vertigo.

Although how (frank)ing bad is going to be if Hiller and Fasth play well and those rookies in ANA play like rookies?
- Lahey

No, thats why ANA let you have the goalie not recovering from vertigo, because Hiller was still better and more trusted heading into the playoffs.

Yeah but if you actually watched Ramo play last year, his contract status should be irrelevant. The guy played great and was twice the goalie that Hiller was all year. Hiller may have a bounce back season but he's going to have to work his way back up, whereas Ramo was already playing strong, he just needs to keep pushing. Honestly I think the only reason that Ortio got signed to a one way in the second year is because he was likely to want to leave otherwise. Guy has worked hard for sure, but he's played all of 9 games at the NHL level. I just see Ortio as the odd man out, not Ramo.
- Talking_hockey1

Bottom line, all 3 goalies have something to prove. I have to believe that Ortio is considered the immediate future. The Flames will not risk him getting picked up on waivers or trade him in place of a soon go be 33 ysar old goalie who has suffered injuries and illnesses the last few years.

No, thats why ANA let you have the goalie not recovering from vertigo, because Hiller was still better and more trusted heading into the playoffs.
- TandA4Flames

You really have issues.

No, thats why ANA let you have the goalie not recovering from vertigo, because Hiller was still better and more trusted heading into the playoffs.
- TandA4Flames

And how exactly did that work out for them?

Yeah but if you actually watched Ramo play last year, his contract status should be irrelevant. The guy played great and was twice the goalie that Hiller was all year. Hiller may have a bounce back season but he's going to have to work his way back up, whereas Ramo was already playing strong, he just needs to keep pushing. Honestly I think the only reason that Ortio got signed to a one way in the second year is because he was likely to want to leave otherwise. Guy has worked hard for sure, but he's played all of 9 games at the NHL level. I just see Ortio as the odd man out, not Ramo.
- Talking_hockey1

No!

No!
- whipper334

Why would you say no to that. The thing is the best goaltender is going to play. He is gone he is being out performed in a couple seasons.

What is Gillies wins the starting job next year from training camp? Wouldn't it be worth it to trade him for an asset.

There is a lot of opportunity in goalie right now. May the best man win!

Yeah but if you actually watched Ramo play last year, his contract status should be irrelevant. The guy played great and was twice the goalie that Hiller was all year. Hiller may have a bounce back season but he's going to have to work his way back up, whereas Ramo was already playing strong, he just needs to keep pushing. Honestly I think the only reason that Ortio got signed to a one way in the second year is because he was likely to want to leave otherwise. Guy has worked hard for sure, but he's played all of 9 games at the NHL level. I just see Ortio as the odd man out, not Ramo.
- Talking_hockey1

I agree with everything you've said....except this.

Why would you say no to that. The thing is the best goaltender is going to play. He is gone he is being out performed in a couple seasons.

What is Gillies wins the starting job next year from training camp? Wouldn't it be worth it to trade him for an asset.

There is a lot of opportunity in goalie right now. May the best man win!
- tmurph

How can you say Ortio is the odd man out when he is by far the rawest goalie?

If anyone is the odd man out its Hiller. If Ramo improves and Ortio is ready to play in the NHL next year I think they'd be better off sending Hiller to the A and eating his salary if nobody will take him off our hands.

No!
- whipper334

Heard someone in Bowness was shot last night.....what type of gun did you use?

You really have issues.
- Lahey

No more than you my friend.

Why would you say no to that. The thing is the best goaltender is going to play. He is gone he is being out performed in a couple seasons.

What is Gillies wins the starting job next year from training camp? Wouldn't it be worth it to trade him for an asset.

There is a lot of opportunity in goalie right now. May the best man win!
- tmurph

Well now youre introducing a 4th goalie. Were only talking Ortio, Ramo and Hiller.If Gillies wins the job, great. Then we have a good problem on our hands. But Gillies should probably look at doing a season in the AHL. Until then, moving Ortio in place of an older goalie is ridiculous.

Why would you say no to that. The thing is the best goaltender is going to play. He is gone he is being out performed in a couple seasons.

What is Gillies wins the starting job next year from training camp? Wouldn't it be worth it to trade him for an asset.

There is a lot of opportunity in goalie right now. May the best man win!
- tmurph

goalies develop slowly.

Ortio getting another year to work on his game and confidence while being a possible call up is a good thing.

Gillies even if amazing... thats a huge risk to put a goalie in as a starting goalie on a team like calgary right now. he needs to develop, the team needs to work on developing and we don't want to pull a vancouver and dump the world on a rookie goalie with potential.

in 2015-2016 I think we will have 3 guys fighting for the starting position. But with the room we have in cap, they could run the old 3 goalie rotation. We don't have a workhorse like kipper any more who thrives on playing every game.

going to be a big year for backland and glenX I think.

both going for new contracts, and glenX could be a good piece to move us up in a draft.

Yeah but if you actually watched Ramo play last year, his contract status should be irrelevant. The guy played great and was twice the goalie that Hiller was all year. Hiller may have a bounce back season but he's going to have to work his way back up, whereas Ramo was already playing strong, he just needs to keep pushing. Honestly I think the only reason that Ortio got signed to a one way in the second year is because he was likely to want to leave otherwise. Guy has worked hard for sure, but he's played all of 9 games at the NHL level. I just see Ortio as the odd man out, not Ramo.
- Talking_hockey1

All year? Until march ramo was average at best, every other game he was posting 800% Hiller will have a bounce back year and claim the starting job, ramo will be done unless he has a great year this year, call up ortio next year as backup