Hey Colin
What are your thought about Ortios contract? Apparently the 2nd year is a 1 way.
What does that mean for our three goalies?

Can anyone explain how this changes sending someone down to the ahl? Do they have to clear waivers or is there an age rule where they don't go through waivers (I recall something like this)
- cpltanto

Next year Ortio will have to clear waivers to go to the AHL. So, giving him a 1 way and the fact of the waiver rule likely means the plan is to have him with the big club after this season.

Hey Colin
What are your thought about Ortios contract? Apparently the 2nd year is a 1 way.
What does that mean for our three goalies?

Can anyone explain how this changes sending someone down to the ahl? Do they have to clear waivers or is there an age rule where they don't go through waivers (I recall something like this)
- cpltanto

One and two way contracts do not affect waiver eligibility as far as I know. What they do affect however is the salary that a player is paid at each level. Now I don't know the exact terms but for example, If a guy is making $800k at the NHL level on a two way contract, should he be returned to the AHL his salary changes to something more along the lines of $60k. So quite the decrease. With one way contracts this doesn't happen (as far as I know, and if it does it is very little in comparison). As opposed to before the new CBA when players could be buried in the minors, now teams can't do that and the player's salary still counts against their cap, whereas with a two way it doesn't. I believe for the most part it just has salary implications.

Waiver eligibility is based on pre-designated years from which a player has signed his first NHL contract or games since signing his first NHL contract, whichever comes first. So for example for an 18 year old goalie, it would be 6 years or 80 NHL games played. For a 25 year old goalie it would be 1 year or 60 NHL games played. There are other variants that can change the exemption lengths but that's pretty much the gist of it.

Next year Ortio will have to clear waivers to go to the AHL. So, giving him a 1 way and the fact of the waiver rule likely means the plan is to have him with the big club after this season.
- TandA4Flames

Aka don't count on seeing ramo in a flames jersey next year

Right after he stole your daughters virginity.
- The_Janitor

They only daughter I have is a female cat so this is wrong on a number of levels.

They only daughter I have is a female cat so this is wrong on a number of levels.
- Yeti1181

the fact that you fathered a cat is wrong on another kind of level

Aka don't count on seeing ramo in a flames jersey next year
- Bigern4MVP

Actually....I think what the last 2 posts suggest is that Ortio could still be in the minors, he'll just be making a full NHL salary....and because of his age and lack of NHL games played, he wouldn't have to go through waivers

Actually....I think what the last 2 posts suggest is that Ortio could still be in the minors, he'll just be making a full NHL salary....and because of his age and lack of NHL games played, he wouldn't have to go through waivers
- cpltanto

Well I still don't see ramo back

Well I still don't see ramo back
- Bigern4MVP

I disagree I think Hiller is the one we won't see back. But that might be because I miss Kipper and the idea of two Finnish goalies intrigues me.

I disagree I think Hiller is the one we won't see back. But that might be because I miss Kipper and the idea of two Finnish goalies intrigues me.
- The_Janitor

Hiller has a 2 year deal, ramo is done after this year

Hiller has a 2 year deal, ramo is done after this year
- Bigern4MVP

I know. I see Hiller getting shipped at a TDL and Ramo being extended.

I know. I see Hiller getting shipped at a TDL and Ramo being extended.
- The_Janitor

Whichever goalie gets us more losses

Whichever goalie gets us more losses
- Bigern4MVP

Basically

the fact that you fathered a cat is wrong on another kind of level
- cpltanto

Don't have to father anything to actually be a father

Hiller has a 2 year deal, ramo is done after this year
- Bigern4MVP

I would prefer that Ramo plays very well and gets resigned and Hiller plays well also so that we can shop him for a decent return at the deadline or in the summer. I would much rather have a 27 year old and Ortio as my tandem than a 33 year old and Ortio. Don't count Ramo out.

Whichever goalie gets us more losses
- Bigern4MVP

Dude, you sound very Oiler-like when hoping for losses. Ramo is younger so I would hope you would want to see him have success so that the team has a younger goalie with another youngish goalie when the team starts to hit its stride. Best bet is both Ramo and Hiller play well, Ramo gets resigned, Hiller brings a good prospect/pick in a trade because in 3 years Hiller will be an aging vet, Ramo will theoretically still be in his prime. To expect both Ortio and Gillies to be to tandem in 3 seasons seems foolish and irresponsible to me.

Dude, you sound very Oiler-like when hoping for losses. Ramo is younger so I would hope you would want to see him have success so that the team has a younger goalie with another youngish goalie when the team starts to hit its stride. Best bet is both Ramo and Hiller play well, Ramo gets resigned, Hiller brings a good prospect/pick in a trade because in 3 years Hiller will be an aging vet, Ramo will theoretically still be in his prime. To expect both Ortio and Gillies to be to tandem in 3 seasons seems foolish and irresponsible to me.
- TandA4Flames

Good post.As deep as your prospect pool is....you have to prepare for some of these kids to not reach potetial/expectations.

Dude, you sound very Oiler-like when hoping for losses. Ramo is younger so I would hope you would want to see him have success so that the team has a younger goalie with another youngish goalie when the team starts to hit its stride. Best bet is both Ramo and Hiller play well, Ramo gets resigned, Hiller brings a good prospect/pick in a trade because in 3 years Hiller will be an aging vet, Ramo will theoretically still be in his prime. To expect both Ortio and Gillies to be to tandem in 3 seasons seems foolish and irresponsible to me.
- TandA4Flames

Well this is the only year I endorse tanking,but tanking with one goal losses similar to last year

Actually....I think what the last 2 posts suggest is that Ortio could still be in the minors, he'll just be making a full NHL salary....and because of his age and lack of NHL games played, he wouldn't have to go through waivers
- cpltanto

Not true. He signed his first contract when he was 20. Therefore he had up to 4 years of being exempt. He would need to clear waivers to play in the AHL.

It does look like Ramo is the odd one out. Unless he plays great this season and earns himself a contract. That would either mean trade Ortio or Hiller.

Good post.As deep as your prospect pool is....you have to prepare for some of these kids to not reach potetial/expectations.
- Jeropotato

Wow, a positive response. You get some last night?

Not true. He signed his first contract when he was 20. Therefore he had up to 4 years of being exempt. He would need to clear waivers to play in the AHL.

It does look like Ramo is the odd one out. Unless he plays great this season and earns himself a contract. That would either mean trade Ortio or Hiller.



- tmurph

trading ortio makes no sense

Not true. He signed his first contract when he was 20. Therefore he had up to 4 years of being exempt. He would need to clear waivers to play in the AHL.

It does look like Ramo is the odd one out. Unless he plays great this season and earns himself a contract. That would either mean trade Ortio or Hiller.



- tmurph

Again with the Ramo is odd man out poop. Just because his contract is up after this season doesn't necessarily mean he's going to suck and not be back. Do you guys forget how well he played at the end of the season? He was one of the best goalies in the league. My expectation is he carries that into this season, Hiller is a stop gap before Ortio comes up. If Ortio's not quite there, they can ride the 3 headed goalie monster in year 2 of Hiller's contract if necessary.

Again with the Ramo is odd man out poop. Just because his contract is up after this season doesn't necessarily mean he's going to suck and not be back. Do you guys forget how well he played at the end of the season? He was one of the best goalies in the league. My expectation is he carries that into this season, Hiller is a stop gap before Ortio comes up. If Ortio's not quite there, they can ride the 3 headed goalie monster in year 2 of Hiller's contract if necessary.
- TandA4Flames

I believe both Hiller and Ramo are stop gaps for Ortio and then Gillies. All I think is that he will need to resign going into FA.

Ramo needs to play better than Hiller in order to get resigned. Or if Ortio has an really bad year.

Wow, a positive response. You get some last night?
- TandA4Flames

Nope

I call it how I see it. As much I love to blast you guys for unrealistic posts , I give credit when there is a good post. Besides, I have NEVER discredited the Flames approach to their rebuild. My opinion has always been that they are in very good shape, and will be a solid playoff team if not contenders when Mono and Bennet are entering their primes in 4-5 years.

I believe both Hiller and Ramo are stop gaps for Ortio and then Gillies. All I think is that he will need to resign going into FA.

Ramo needs to play better than Hiller in order to get resigned. Or if Ortio has an really bad year.
- tmurph

So why would you presume that Ramo is the odd man out? He had a great last half once he figured things out in professional NA hockey.