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- dt99999

Good morning Dan and Paul.

Bournival is a player, that when i see him leave the bench, I know nothing is going to happen until he's back on the bench, so he's like a tiny intermission during the game.

Bournival is a player, that when i see him leave the bench, I know nothing is going to happen until he's back on the bench, so he's like a tiny intermission during the game.
- zedniksghost

He's fast though....there's that.

He's fast though....there's that.
- ehabs9

He's fast and he's good on the forecheck and has enough awareness to play on the PK. I think he's a solid 4th liner and nothing more. He'll be a journeyman.

He's fast though....there's that.
- ehabs9

He's pretty fast, a good forechecker and plays well defensively. We all say that he can't finish but let's be patient a little shall we? He has about 60 games of NHL experience and was adjusting to a new position going from C to the wing (he actually played both L and R). 6 goals in his rookie season over about 60 games playing 4th line minutes isn't that bad. I want the Habs to give him a real chance on the 3rd line before labelling him a fringe 4th liner.

He's fast and he's good on the forecheck and has enough awareness to play on the PK. I think he's a solid 4th liner and nothing more. He'll be a journeyman.
- DoubleDown

Stop defending Orr. He's done... simple as that.

good morning

good morning
- -davies-

We should team up again.

he cant finish offensively because he always play with guys that can't finish...give him some good playmaker around him and it's a different story guys... when you are playing on a 4th line you don't taking risk at all you pass the red line and you dump and good forechek..... that's what the coach ask from a 4th line...

so because bournival is good with is speed and forechek , he can'T be good on a offensive line ? i don't agree with you... he's so young and didnt reach is offensive potential... but he need some GOOD ice time to develop that with more then just playing with some Prust moen weise malhotra....

Just a couple of more Eller tidbits:

"His -56.41 Corsi was second best in the entire NHL among those who played at least 1.5 minutes per game on the PK, and the extent to which he pushed the puck up the ice from his measly 3.2% offensive zone starts is astonishing. Eller was also a constant threat to score while a man down, producing more scoring chances per 60 than any other Habs player while on the ice. His scoring chance differential was also better than any other Habs penalty killer, aside from the surprising Raphael Diaz. Unsurprisingly, Eller's risk/reward rating on the PK was higher than any other Habs player by a significant margin.

Lars isn't exactly a big shooter, but he could get there at some point. Currently he's still shooting nearly twice as often as Desharnais. Eller isn't shy about going to the net, but after having worked on his shot last summer, his wrist shot was a lot better this season and he also likes to shoot from the high slot, often picking a top corner.

Stop watching the games nerds.

We should team up again.
- Not_Stee

i'm a loner, dottie.

he cant finish offensively because he always play with guys that can't finish...give him some good playmaker around him and it's a different story guys... when you are playing on a 4th line you don't taking risk at all you pass the red line and you dump and good forechek..... that's what the coach ask from a 4th line...

so because bournival is good with is speed and forechek , he can'T be good on a offensive line ? i don't agree with you... he's so young and didnt reach is offensive potential... but he need some GOOD ice time to develop that with more then just playing with some Prust moen weise malhotra....
- Zo0by

That's a whole lot of crap right there.

That's a whole lot of crap right there.
- fidopro

yeah, I love the kid, but even in junior he wasn't an offensive juggernaut. I think he can amount to a useful third liner, good pker who can get his share of offence one in a while. Nothing wrong with that.

yeah, I love the kid, but even in junior he wasn't an offensive juggernaut. I think he can amount to a useful third liner, good pker who can get his share of offence one in a while. Nothing wrong with that.
- stinger67

True that you don't get many chances when playing on the 4th line, but he played with Plek often enough to have many chances, alone in the slot, and never finished. He simply doesn't have a good shot. Not a bad offensive vision, but a poor shot.
I love the kid, good speed and energy, but don't tell me he could finish if he was playing with better linemates. That's total BS.

That's a whole lot of crap right there.
- fidopro

Amen.

The amount of times I remember specifically swearing at him/the TV because he had a golden opportunity to score and completely botched it speaks volumes (there was quite a lot of them). He had a fair amount of ice-time with offensive line mates and made nothing of the chances that were put on his stick.

Eller blows.

Eller blows.
- TimBits

Habs fans trying to run another young up and comer out of town before they reach their full potential

Habs fans trying to run another young up and comer out of town before they reach their full potential
- mr.peanut

I'll take "Who disappeared for 5 months during last season?" Alex

Eller at 3.5 will be fine. Everyone was freaking out about having Desharnais at that amount and now no one cares. Plus, at 3.5, he's tradeable if MB wants to make room.

Bournival will play with Plekanec and will be successful doing so. I'm not saying he'll score 20 here but they will fulfill their mission when needed to defensively. Bournival is ahead of Moen on depth and likely to surpass Prust this season. Let's not forget that last year was his first full season in the league too. He actually reminds a lot of Bulis. (Hopefully without the first line minutes).

You know who sucks, Rogers. Only Bell is available here and I'd have to pay 15$ to basic Sportsnet on Bell. Try to go MLB.TV... Nope, blacked out thanks to Rogers. Not impressed.

I'll take "Who disappeared for 5 months during last season?" Alex
- fidopro

Advanced stats says he didn't disappear, so stop watching games ok.

yeah, I love the kid, but even in junior he wasn't an offensive juggernaut. I think he can amount to a useful third liner, good pker who can get his share of offence one in a while. Nothing wrong with that.
- stinger67

2008-2009 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 46 11 11 22 13 29 1 0
2009-2010 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 58 24 38 62 1 37 8 1 0
2009-2010 CANADA-WJ18-A 6 2 1 3 2
2010-2011 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 56 28 36 64 4 28 10 0 5 212 13.2
2011-2012 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 41 30 26 56 15 27 7 3 3

dont tell me the guy was not putting point and goal on the board in junior... 30 goal in is last season in 40 games... not bad for a guy that have NO SHOT !

give him a GOOD chance to stay every night with same linemate more then on the 4th line with more then 14min. a game and he will score 15 at least and maybe more...

the think you have to understand here it's when your not playing one night and play night after 6 minute a game... after that bench.. play bench play bench.... OHhh 2nd line for 1 period with pleky... and boom go down again.... u think you can build chemistry ? i don't think sooo.... you guys talk like bournival is 30 years old and we have see what we have see on a 4th line ..... he just hit 22 on may 31 and still in learning process......

I'll take "Who disappeared for 5 months during last season?" Alex
- fidopro

I would want to disappear also if I were stuck with the likes of Briere, Bourque, Moen, and Prust.

Eller at 3.5 will be fine. Everyone was freaking out about having Desharnais at that amount and now no one cares. Plus, at 3.5, he's tradeable if MB wants to make room.

Bournival will play with Plekanec and will be successful doing so. I'm not saying he'll score 20 here but they will fulfill their mission when needed to defensively. Bournival is ahead of Moen on depth and likely to surpass Prust this season. Let's not forget that last year was his first full season in the league too. He actually reminds a lot of Bulis. (Hopefully without the first line minutes).

You know who sucks, Rogers. Only Bell is available here and I'd have to pay 15$ to basic Sportsnet on Bell. Try to go MLB.TV... Nope, blacked out thanks to Rogers. Not impressed.
- kev1586

Dam right Eller at 3.5 will be fine...they are all looking just the 26 points in 77 games last year... and PANIK TIME !!! thats make me laugh lol hockey it's not just point on boards... theres somme little details sometime that make difference in a game at the end... Eller is clearly part of that !!! and have potential to score many more if he could have same teamate for more then 20 games in a row...

2008-2009 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 46 11 11 22 13 29 1 0
2009-2010 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 58 24 38 62 1 37 8 1 0
2009-2010 CANADA-WJ18-A 6 2 1 3 2
2010-2011 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 56 28 36 64 4 28 10 0 5 212 13.2
2011-2012 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 41 30 26 56 15 27 7 3 3

dont tell me the guy was not putting point and goal on the board in junior... 30 goal in is last season in 40 games... not bad for a guy that have NO SHOT !

give him a GOOD chance to stay every night with same linemate more then on the 4th line with more then 14min. a game and he will score 15 at least and maybe more...

the think you have to understand here it's when your not playing one night and play night after 6 minute a game... after that bench.. play bench play bench.... OHhh 2nd line for 1 period with pleky... and boom go down again.... u think you can build chemistry ? i don't think sooo.... you guys talk like bournival is 30 years old and we have see what we have see on a 4th line ..... he just hit 22 on may 31 and still in learning process......
- Zo0by

Nobody is calling him a bust of an NHL player, or saying he's hit his peak yet. But offense just isn't his strong suit. Blame it on line mates, blame it on ice-time, on being scratched. The point is when you watch him play he doesn't have finish to his game, it's just not there. Maybe he'll be able to improve on it, but right now he brings almost nothing offensively to the table, and so there's no point in putting him in a role where it's expected of him.

Last point, young players who work their way into the top 6 offensively do it when they're given a chance to show they deserve it. Justifying his lack of production because he hasn't been given a solid spot with top 6 minutes makes no sense, he's not going to be handed one until he starts to impress when he's occasionally put in a position to do so.


Edit: Bottom line is, at this point there are other wingers who deserve to be given a crack at a top 6 spot to show they can perform there. Bournival had opportunities last year, and didn't make the most of them. Sure, give him another shot at some point, but I'd rather see some other young guys get a look who haven't before.

2008-2009 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 46 11 11 22 13 29 1 0
2009-2010 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 58 24 38 62 1 37 8 1 0
2009-2010 CANADA-WJ18-A 6 2 1 3 2
2010-2011 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 56 28 36 64 4 28 10 0 5 212 13.2
2011-2012 SHAWINIGAN CATARACTES-QMJHL 41 30 26 56 15 27 7 3 3

dont tell me the guy was not putting point and goal on the board in junior... 30 goal in is last season in 40 games... not bad for a guy that have NO SHOT !

give him a GOOD chance to stay every night with same linemate more then on the 4th line with more then 14min. a game and he will score 15 at least and maybe more...

the think you have to understand here it's when your not playing one night and play night after 6 minute a game... after that bench.. play bench play bench.... OHhh 2nd line for 1 period with pleky... and boom go down again.... u think you can build chemistry ? i don't think sooo.... you guys talk like bournival is 30 years old and we have see what we have see on a 4th line ..... he just hit 22 on may 31 and still in learning process......
- Zo0by

Bro, almost every NHLer put up big numbers in juniors.