i get that there is a need up front.

but, at least to me anyway, ehrhoff is so much better at what he does than hemsky is at what he does, that given the same price, id take ehrhoff, despite the position need relativity.
- stayinthefnnet

Hemsky gets a lot of empty points. Give me Ehrhoff.

Visit the typical family in the deep South, and I think you'll paint a fairly broad picture of people in the South.

In the end, generalizations are called generalizations because, generally, that's the way people in groups act. Yes, the typical "Flyers fan" is an idiot who does not understand more than "SHOOOOOT!" and "HIT SOMEBODY!" I think that the poblem between you and that..."woman"...was that most (not all) people on the Flyers board are not like the typical Flyers fan.

It would be like me going into a Caps blog and calling them all front-runners who only still have a team because visiting fans filled half of their building for the better part of 2 decades. It's true, but I wouldn't go in there and state that. Well, okay, I would, but I don't frequent that board either.

Anyway, I don't care, I like both you and BulliesPhan. In the end, we all just need to get naked and move on.
- jmatchett383

NO ONE WAS TALKING TO YOU.

besides, i still like to have a daily good cry or two about it.

i guess its just a perception thing for me. while your factual account may be fairly accurate, i find the different subgroup analogy to be pretty strained.

if someone evaluates say, hey the average flyers fan is someone that embodies quality XYZ, in the same way as if someone says to them, hey, the average member of your family is XYZ.

that is utterly ridiculous.
- stayinthefnnet

Whatever. Maybe it's better that you don't post there, then.

i get that there is a need up front.

but, at least to me anyway, ehrhoff is so much better at what he does than hemsky is at what he does, that given the same price, id take ehrhoff, despite the position need relativity.
- stayinthefnnet

Fair enough. I love Ehrhoff, and I love what we got him for. Just think it might have been wiser to address the bigger need without giving up any assets. Hemsky has the puck skill that could thrive with 87 or 71. That said, again, if we trade Martin or can extend Ehrhoff...I'm glad we chose Ehrhoff.

Whatever. Maybe it's better that you don't post there, then.
- BulliesPhan87

hey now. i didnt whatever you. nothing wrong with disagreeing.

Fair enough. I love Ehrhoff, and I love what we got him for. Just think it might have been wiser to address the bigger need without giving up any assets. Hemsky has the puck skill that could thrive with 87 or 71. That said, again, if we trade Martin or can extend Ehrhoff...I'm glad we chose Ehrhoff.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

yeah i understand. i think both numbers cap hit wise were pretty good for each player. just glad to have gotten one of them for what they did.

im starting to really latch on to the mindset that maybe lesser linemates for geno will actually help him in a sense. maybe its just subconsciously rationalizing what they have to work with, but im just thinking back to the cup years. geno being selfish can be a good thing. when he had talbot and fedotenko on his line, he really dominated possession, and didnt look to defer so much.

Yah, I already addressed it on that "other"column. What a joke of a writer!

TSN's Bob McKenzie was answering questions about this subject Wednesday afternoon and suggested that hockey analytics inside most NHL organizations were so beyond the debate of Corsi% merit that it wasn't even worth discussing. I found this interesting — not for the fact that teams with nearly limitless resources could pull more data than part-time guys doing it for fun on the internet (this seems obvious), but for the fact that there still seems to be a very real interpretation issue as to what matters and what does not. It took me all of 10 minutes to produce this list, and I would have had just as easy of a time recreating an entirely new one with another assortment of bad, easily avoidable moves.

Bob McKenzie might be right about organizational hockey analytics being more complex/advanced. But better? pic.twitter.com/jRr23Kmbf3

— Travis Yost (@TravisHeHateMe) July 23, 2014

http://www.sportingnews.c...hl-kyle-dubas-maple-leafs
- Ryan_Wilson

The people in the organizations who are professionals and most likely have advanced math degrees are far and away above us (even you Ryan, sorry) probably come up with stats for the stats they come up with ( I know that was a crazy sentence, not so sure it was even a sentence). My buddy works for Bank of America in their futures dept, basically predicting the future with mathematics , I really don't understand it,but those are the kind of people working in that job. Then the front office has to decide which stats to use to make a decision. We as mere fans are just elementary with our understanding and that is why we aren't GM's or the like.
Edit: I'm sure all the folks with math degrees will come out of the woodwork now.

I think talent wise, Makin is the best in the world. He can take his skill to a whole other level. However its not on a consistent rate. Crosby is the more complete player and has the leadership/toughness Malkin doesn't have. Malkin gets banged up, he usually shuts down. Crosby seems to rise to the occasion in Philly, Malkin not so much.
- sammy87

When their careers end, Malkin would be judged the more talented of the two, period.

The people in the organizations who are professionals and most likely have advanced math degrees are far and away above us (even you Ryan, sorry) probably come up with stats for the stats they come up with ( I know that was a crazy sentence, not so sure it was even a sentence). My buddy works for Bank of America in their futures dept, basically predicting the future with mathematics , I really don't understand it,but those are the kind of people working in that job. Then the front office has to decide which stats to use to make a decision. We as mere fans are just elementary with our understanding and that is why we aren't GM's or the like.
- Bradlee3

Or maybe that's what they want us to think, and they're actually all clowns that don't sign our favorite players because they're too dumb to realize that they're the best, and we should all manage our own NHL franchises.

hey now. i didnt whatever you. nothing wrong with disagreeing.
- stayinthefnnet

I think you're being disrespectful to myself and a lot of people I identify with, and I think there's a major lack of self awareness involved. I like you and spitting hockey with you, but given you don't understand why it's disrespectful to many of us in the Meltzer thread I think you're really failing to self evaluate on this one.

I hate to burn a bridge here, but I'm not going to lie to you and say I think it's ok. Again, you don't see me coming in here and characterizing your fanbase, let alone over and over and over and over again.

Passive aggressively mocking the situation further won't appreciated, either. I won't post about it anymore. My feelings are thoroughly explained at this point, and I don't want to derail or bring down this thread anymore, nor do I want to continue getting at you over it.

Sorry I'm not being fun right now guys.

yeah i understand. i think both numbers cap hit wise were pretty good for each player. just glad to have gotten one of them for what they did.

im starting to really latch on to the mindset that maybe lesser linemates for geno will actually help him in a sense. maybe its just subconsciously rationalizing what they have to work with, but im just thinking back to the cup years. geno being selfish can be a good thing. when he had talbot and fedotenko on his line, he really dominated possession, and didnt look to defer so much.
- stayinthefnnet

I actually agree that Geno might turn into Geno Machino more often if he's carrying the line and not deferring. But to be equivalent of when he had Talbot and Fedetenko....wouldn't that mean he would play with Bennett and Dupuis/Downie/Spaling.

Crosby gets both Kunitz and Hornqvist in that case. Would that make sense?

http://thepensblog.com/20...-criticism-should-it.html

The Pens Blog is taking notice Ryan.

Or maybe that's what they want us to think, and they're actually all clowns that don't sign our favorite players because they're too dumb to realize that they're the best, and we should all manage our own NHL franchises.
- Victoro311

Karmanos went to Harvard. Maybe he is that savant-type wizard with numbers and analytics.

Then again, it is hard to rationalize how Glass, Adams, Pyatt, Kobasew got as much time on an NHL ice surface as they did. It's hard to fathom experienced hockey executives were ok putting that out on the ice so often.

I think you're being disrespectful to myself and a lot of people I identify with, and I think there's a major lack of self awareness involved. I like you and spitting hockey with you, but given you don't understand why it's disrespectful to many of us in the Meltzer thread I think you're really failing to self evaluate on this one.

I hate to burn a bridge here, but I'm not going to lie to you and say I think it's ok. Again, you don't see me coming in here and characterizing your fanbase, let alone over and over and over and over again.

Passive aggressively mocking the situation further won't appreciated, either. I won't post about it anymore. My feelings are thoroughly explained at this point, and I don't want to derail or bring down this thread anymore, nor do I want to continue getting at you over it.

Sorry I'm not being fun right now guys.
- BulliesPhan87

Ants in pants? hah!

Lived in Lancaster for a while. For the most part got along with the evil fan base that is the Flyers.

http://thepensblog.com/20...-criticism-should-it.html

The Pens Blog is taking notice Ryan.
- Ben37

It was a bad column, I gave criticism, nothing more nothing less.

An attempt at lightening the mood, in the Lightnings first year we were beside the bench in the early part of the season. TB was up by one with a minute left, the other team yanks the goalie and everyone sitting behind the bench starts yelling at Crisp to pull his goalie. All of us that knew the game better were laughing, even Crisp after the horn.

I actually agree that Geno might turn into Geno Machino more often if he's carrying the line and not deferring. But to be equivalent of when he had Talbot and Fedetenko....wouldn't that mean he would play with Bennett and Dupuis/Downie/Spaling.

Crosby gets both Kunitz and Hornqvist in that case. Would that make sense?
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Doesn't make sense. I seriously doubt Kunitz and Hornqvist can play together. There's only one net, and two bodies constantly on it may do more harm than good. Plus, Sid becomes the only real shooting threat, which is not good. Give Geno a real trashman and watch that line produce. Jokinen killed it last year putting away the trash for Geno and Neal, and he's not even a real trashman. Horny's one of the best in the business. He needs to be with Malkin.

The top 6 should either look like this:

Kunitz-Crosby-Bennett
(unaquired winger)-Malkin-Hornqvist

or like this:

Kunitz-Crosby-Duper
Hornqvist-Malkin-Bennett

That gives you the best balanced top 6 playing style wise.

Speaking of unaquired wingers, Ek mentioned Marleau to Pens, so scratch that one off the list. In all honesty, though, how greatly would San Jose benefit from moving Marleau for Martin +? I know their GM said they were in a mini rebuild, but he also said they still have a win now mentality. I don't think moving Marleau for Martin helps them that much if at all. They have a pretty solid d core, I feel like if they move Marleau it would literally be for the sake of getting him out of the locker room, which I don't really get. Why is San Jose so desperate to change the air in their locker room that they're willing to take monumental steps back in their talent pool by trading Jumbo and Patty Mars?

Ants in pants? hah!

Lived in Lancaster for a while. For the most part got along with the evil fan base that is the Flyers.
- kgrpitt

I'm a grouchy old man these days. I really should act my age.

I'm a grouchy old man these days. I really should act my age.
- BulliesPhan87

For once.....I will agree with this. haha

So I just moved back to Pittsburgh and working with CEC right out my office window. Nice short walk once October rolls around!

Ants in pants? hah!

Lived in Lancaster for a while. For the most part got along with the evil fan base that is the Flyers.
- kgrpitt

One of my best friends is a Flyers fan, and once we got over the whole Cindy Crybaby vs. 1975 aimless argument that was inevitably going to happen, we actually share some pretty enlightening hockey convos, probably more so than those we share with people out of our own respective fan bases.

Have to agree with whoever said it that the only real bad Flyers fans are Eagles fans that don't actually like hockey and are just looking for another reason to get rowdy. As a diehard Sixers fan, I can say that being a fan of a Philadelphia sports team does not make you a bad fan. Being a fan of a sports team just so you can have a semi-publicly acceptable reason to get belligerent is, and every team in every sport has at least a handful of those.

That being said, the Flyers are the second worst team in all of sports second only to Michigan

Just served a 5 day ban for trolling on the rags pg. Losers. A few threads back ppl mentioned recchi and sid having bad blood and I couldn't recall why. Can anyone refresh. Also wanted to ask gunner about the article about jim NILL talking about sport VU and his opinion. Does consol have them in the arena?

Just served a 5 day ban for trolling on the rags pg. Losers. A few threads back ppl mentioned recchi and sid having bad blood and I couldn't recall why. Can anyone refresh. Also wanted to ask gunner about the article about jim NILL talking about sport VU and his opinion. Does consol have them in the arena?
- Jordy8

In Crosby's rookie year, Recchi came about and basically called him a cry baby or something to that effect.

So I just moved back to Pittsburgh and working with CEC right out my office window. Nice short walk once October rolls around!
- kgrpitt

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