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Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:15 PM ET
Yes when stamkos is 39 years old he will start playing there
- todd1a

DamMIT.
todd1a
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Valrico, FL
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:15 PM ET
I love Stralman

I've got more on him coming up soon.

Then there'll be stuff on Nabokov, Boyle, Garrison, Drouin, Bishop, etc.

- Michael_Stuart

Yes!! Here comes the ranger fans I like them better then the leaf fans
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:17 PM ET
Yes!! Here comes the ranger fans I like them better then the leaf fans
- todd1a

Liar.
todd1a
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Valrico, FL
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:17 PM ET
Don't EVER compare Ryan Callahan to David Clarkson again. Callahan is tiers ahead of Clarkson and is worth every penny of his contract. He's actually a top-6 winger capable of consistently scoring 20+ goals and was an NHL captain. David Clarkson is an above-average bottom-6 winger at best.
- rangerdanger94

Wow some sense has arrived thank you
todd1a
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Valrico, FL
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:19 PM ET
Liar.
- Yeti1181

Hey I'm a lightning fan while Marty St. Louis upset me I still pull for the guy and I always like Moore and Dan Boyle when they played here.
Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators
Location: "Caresi > Corsi"
Joined: 10.24.2011

Jul 24 @ 9:20 PM ET
I think in future Stralman blogs, you should use the advanced stats more accurately. They need to be adjusted for zone starts and should only use "Close" (1 goal game or tie game) situations. Stralman still has unbelievable Corsi, however his QoC is adjusted a lot more accurately.

Simply put: in the past 2 seasons, he's faced the easiest competition out of any other defender on our team while Staal has faced the 2nd hardest. Just last season alone, he faced the 4th hardest competition out of anybody on our team while Staal again faced the 2nd hardest.

- rangerdanger94


I'll bite.

Stralman's zone starts were negative compared to those of his teammates this past season (not as bad as Staal's though).
http://www.extraskater.co...&sort=zs_pct_rel&team=nyr

I suggest reading these two pieces, which argue that QoC and Zone Starts don't really matter when it comes to analysis. These are from the site you linked me to.
http://hockeyanalysis.com...-of-competitionteammates/
http://hockeyanalysis.com...one-starts-really-matter/

And, again, Stralman's QoC was virtually the same as Staal's this year.
http://www.extraskater.co...s=D&sort=qoc_toi&team=nyr

The HART stuff shows how much of a deviation there is from what's expected for the team. You're correct in the sense that Stralman's competition was worse than anticipated. Much worse. In the case of the Corsi numbers you cite, it shows that Stralman's competition was worse, but not necessarily that they were horrible like you're implying. You can read more on that here.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/about.php

And we can go back to the QoC numbers from ExtraSkater to verify that.

In summary... QoC and Zone Starts aren't all that important (this from the site you linked me to). HART shows a deviation from the expected.
todd1a
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Valrico, FL
Joined: 01.12.2012

Jul 24 @ 9:22 PM ET
Tampa fans loved tallying Callahan's points and comparing them to MSL's points after every regular season game after the deadline....that ended real quick once the playoffs started
- rangerdanger94

Marty St. Louis will out score Callahan by a mile! But palat Johnson drouin stamkos and flipper will pick up the lost points for Marty. Are team was so soft glad we kept Callahan we need the grit.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 24 @ 9:26 PM ET
I'll bite.

Stralman's zone starts were negative compared to those of his teammates this past season (not as bad as Staal's though).
http://www.extraskater.co...&sort=zs_pct_rel&team=nyr

I suggest reading these two pieces, which argue that QoC and Zone Starts don't really matter when it comes to analysis. These are from the site you linked me to.
http://hockeyanalysis.com...-of-competitionteammates/
http://hockeyanalysis.com...one-starts-really-matter/

And, again, Stralman's QoC was virtually the same as Staal's this year.
http://www.extraskater.co...s=D&sort=qoc_toi&team=nyr

The HART stuff shows how much of a deviation there is from what's expected for the team. You're correct in the sense that Stralman's competition was worse than anticipated. Much worse. In the case of the Corsi numbers you cite, it shows that Stralman's competition was worse, but not necessarily that they were horrible like you're implying. You can read more on that here.
http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/about.php

And we can go back to the QoC numbers from ExtraSkater to verify that.

In summary... QoC and Zone Starts aren't all that important (this from the site you linked me to). HART shows a deviation from the expected.

- Michael_Stuart

Well I'm gonna go jump off a bridge then I guess.
Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators
Location: "Caresi > Corsi"
Joined: 10.24.2011

Jul 24 @ 9:28 PM ET
Well I'm gonna go jump off a bridge then I guess.
- rangerdanger94


Stralman will hopefully be a really solid three/four guy for the Lightning. That's all I'm hoping for and expecting.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 24 @ 9:31 PM ET
Stralman will hopefully be a really solid three/four guy for the Lightning. That's all I'm hoping for and expecting.
- Michael_Stuart

Staal will hopefully return to #1 defender status for the Rangers. That's all I'm hoping for and expecting and quite frankly, he was damn close to that level last year and Stralman deserves credit for being a great partner.
Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators
Location: "Caresi > Corsi"
Joined: 10.24.2011

Jul 24 @ 9:32 PM ET
Staal will hopefully return to #1 defender status for the Rangers. That's all I'm hoping for and expecting and quite frankly, he was damn close to that level last year and Stralman deserves credit for being a great partner.
- rangerdanger94


McDonagh is and should be the number one guy, IMO.

Hopefully Staal gets over his injury issues, which have obviously plagued him over the past three seasons.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 24 @ 9:37 PM ET
McDonagh is and should be the number one guy, IMO.

Hopefully Staal gets over his injury issues, which have obviously plagued him over the past three seasons.

- Michael_Stuart

McDonagh will be the #1 guy but when I say I want Staal to return to #1 status I strictly mean his level of play. He can play 25-30 minutes a game and shut down Ovechkin, Crosby, Giroux, Stamkos, Kane, Kopitar, Lucic, etc. when he's at his best.
J-P
Location: goo.gl/wzUUGe
Joined: 01.21.2007

Jul 24 @ 9:44 PM ET
As a tampa fan we have been down this road vinny to Montreal rumors forever and it never happened
- todd1a


True but Vinny never wanted to play in Montreal.
Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators
Location: "Caresi > Corsi"
Joined: 10.24.2011

Jul 24 @ 9:49 PM ET
True but Vinny never wanted to play in Montreal.
- J-P


Yup. Had the opportunity and passed. Unless MTL had no interest, that is.
Danformo
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2012

Jul 24 @ 10:47 PM ET
Stralman will hopefully be a really solid three/four guy for the Lightning. That's all I'm hoping for and expecting.
- Michael_Stuart


Yeah it'd pretty something if he could keep up those Corsi numbers.
He should be a solid #4
Danformo
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 03.22.2012

Jul 24 @ 10:48 PM ET
McDonagh will be the #1 guy but when I say I want Staal to return to #1 status I strictly mean his level of play. He can play 25-30 minutes a game and shut down Ovechkin, Crosby, Giroux, Stamkos, Kane, Kopitar, Lucic, etc. when he's at his best.
- rangerdanger94


I don't know if I'd clarify shutdown guys as #1's. To me a #1 can do it all, and all of it really well. (Keith, Chara, Subban, Sutter, Weber)
Staal when on his game was a solid #2, or great #3 to me.
OzBolts
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: Halifax, NS
Joined: 05.09.2013

Jul 24 @ 11:44 PM ET
Yes one hot playoff run of being a top 4 d man totally covers for his past 6 years in the bottom 6.
- JVR_42_PK81



Clarkson, therefore your argument is invalid.
Michael Stuart
Ottawa Senators
Location: "Caresi > Corsi"
Joined: 10.24.2011

Jul 25 @ 12:16 AM ET
Tomorrow's blog is a Bishop blog.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 25 @ 1:56 AM ET
This thread.
rangerdanger94
New York Rangers
Location: NY
Joined: 05.23.2010

Jul 25 @ 6:44 AM ET
I don't know if I'd clarify shutdown guys as #1's. To me a #1 can do it all, and all of it really well. (Keith, Chara, Subban, Sutter, Weber)
Staal when on his game was a solid #2, or great #3 to me.

- Danformo

Of course the Islanders fan doesn't appreciate a pure shutdown defenseman
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 7:39 AM ET
Tomorrow's blog is a Bishop blog.
- Michael_Stuart

How does Corsi get factored into this one?
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Jul 25 @ 7:40 AM ET
if you guys dont mind i am just gonna leave the leaf fans over here

Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 7:40 AM ET
Of course the Islanders fan doesn't appreciate a pure shutdown defenseman
- rangerdanger94

No we dont. We want to continue to be tops in the league in something.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Jul 25 @ 7:41 AM ET
if you guys dont mind i am just gonna leave the leaf fans over here


- Dozzer

Hopefully they visit our thread. Maybe we can have dan write a tavares misses his home town blog?
tpd11
Tampa Bay Lightning
Location: FL
Joined: 05.22.2008

Jul 25 @ 8:03 AM ET
Well this has been pretty Laff- able. I see you're still feeding the trolls, so what is this the new norm taking Ek's strategy writing some good stuff but leaving just enough controversy to still the trolls up mixing with a big fan base to pump up the hits?
I hope Stralman doesn't do a Lindback on us because this site will be brutal with the Rags fans. Looks like the Laff fans will be here for awhile. Stirring up a Stamkos to Toronto for them works better than Cialis seeing they've been impotent for years.
This was a good site but it's quickly becoming the New Garth.
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