Very subjective question. I will get back to you.
- bixll

no problem, I will be right over here waiting

no problem, I will be right over here waiting
- senstroll

Who is your choice ?

they also score 45-50 points

thats the shut down player the leafs need?
- senstroll

Well sure, but I didn't think the conversation was about what the Leafs need, or there would be no sense even mentioning those two ... might as well mention Stamkos!

Oh man. It was vicious.

Him and Komarov wore him down big time.
- Pecafan Fan

OK work is boring and Hockeybuzz is boring and my golf game sucks.

This is a bad time of year.

they also score 45-50 points

thats the shut down player the leafs need?
- senstroll

the way the game is played today, you're not seeing Scott Stevens or Adam Foote anymore. look around the NHL. all the top guys on their teams are guys who can skate and move the puck. the one-dimensional stay-at-home guys are being filtered to the bottom of the depth chart. no one wants to play a stationary, one-dimensional defenceman 22 minutes per night anymore.

i remember going up, defencemen were always put into one of two categories: offensive or defensive. those lines have blurred now.

Who is your choice ?
- bixll

i dont really have one.
I am skeptical its as simple as..going and getting a "shut down D"

i think its more important to change the system and the way the leafs play.. the chip/dump and chase...and D that are instructed to back up and defend when the puck is turned over does not work anymore.

using the players better..I dont think Dion is very good defensivly.. and him taking all the heavy minutes doesnt work well.

they basically need to just forget what they did last season.. once we see a new system/coach we can get a better idea of who is driving things. Last season they all looked aweful

the way the game is played today, you're not seeing Scott Stevens or Adam Foote anymore. look around the NHL. all the top guys on their teams are guys who can skate and move the puck. the one-dimensional stay-at-home guys are being filtered to the bottom of the depth chart. no one wants to play a stationary, one-dimensional defenceman 22 minutes per night anymore.

i remember going up, defencemen were always put into one of two categories: offensive or defensive. those lines have blurred now.
- DoubleDown

agree on pretty much all

I see Rielly/Gardiner being very important soon.. driving play and possession

agree on pretty much all

I see Rielly/Gardiner being very important soon.. driving play and possession
- senstroll

Yeah agree. Possession didn't matter 10 years ago because no one was able to do anything with the puck when they had it.

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i dont really have one.
I am skeptical its as simple as..going and getting a "shut down D"

i think its more important to change the system and the way the leafs play.. the chip/dump and chase...and D that are instructed to back up and defend when the puck is turned over does not work anymore.

using the players better..I dont think Dion is very good defensivly.. and him taking all the heavy minutes doesnt work well.

they basically need to just forget what they did last season.. once we see a new system/coach we can get a better idea of who is driving things. Last season they all looked aweful
- senstroll

I totally agree in Team defense.. And have been begging for a real system for years..

I totally agree in Team defense.. And have been begging for a real system for years..
- bixll

You don't need a system when you score "off the rush" !!!!

You don't need a system when you score "off the rush" !!!!
- Pecafan Fan

Oh,,, ok. I will make a note of that..

You don't need a system when you score "off the rush" !!!!
- Pecafan Fan

I loathe you

no problem, I will be right over here waiting
- senstroll

If you mean just purely a defensive player, nothing else


Niklas Hjalmarsson is pretty good
Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Dan Girardi
Mark Methot
Dan Hamhuis
Francois Beauchemin in an Anaheim jersey
Willie Mitchell?
Zbynek Michalek
Dennis Seidenberg

I loathe you
- Feeling Glucky?

If you mean just purely a defensive player, nothing else


Niklas Hjalmarsson is pretty good
Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Dan Girardi
Mark Methot
Dan Hamhuis
Francois Beauchemin in an Anaheim jersey
Willie Mitchell?
Zbynek Michalek
Dennis Seidenberg
- AdamFrench

Stéphane Robidas.

If you mean just purely a defensive player, nothing else


Niklas Hjalmarsson is pretty good
Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Dan Girardi
Mark Methot
Dan Hamhuis
Francois Beauchemin in an Anaheim jersey
Willie Mitchell?
Zbynek Michalek
Dennis Seidenberg
- AdamFrench

yeah it's a pretty shallow barrel.
a few of those guys like MEV are outstanding skaters though and i would bet they have good possession metrics too.

Marc Methot sucks

Stéphane Robidas.
- Pecafan Fan

37 off of a second broken leg...fraaaaaaank.

Marc Methot sucks
- DoubleDown

Ya, but he is technically top-4 "shutdown D" who can't do butt (frank) all else.

37 off of a second broken leg...fraaaaaaank.
- AdamFrench

How stupid do you have to be to start uttering threats on an airplane.

1) Cloutier
2) Esplen
3) Berger
4) Mirtle
5) all of the above

If you mean just purely a defensive player, nothing else


Niklas Hjalmarsson is pretty good
Marc-Edouard Vlasic
Dan Girardi
Mark Methot
Dan Hamhuis
Francois Beauchemin in an Anaheim jersey
Willie Mitchell?
Zbynek Michalek
Dennis Seidenberg
- AdamFrench

Siedenburg is my choice

37 off of a second broken leg...fraaaaaaank.
- AdamFrench

Stammer broke his leg. No ones writing him off for it. His age is concerning but he's still better than what we had lol

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