RickJames77
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Location: We’re Too Old, Boston Joined: 04.03.2013
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We can, but the cap hit counts against us and with all those bonuses, it would be a huge cap burden for years to come:
EXT CAP HIT BREAKDOWN (for copying and pasting)
David Clarkson buyout from CapGeek.com
2015-16: $4,716,667
2016-17: $3,716,667
2017-18: $3,716,667
2018-19: $4,716,667
2019-20: $4,716,667
2020-21: $466,667
2021-22: $466,667
2022-23: $466,667
2023-24: $466,667
2024-25: $466,667
- gravyface
Yeah ok...this is what I was thinking. I thought wonderwick was saying use a compliance buyout because I don't think to do the above makes any sense...but then was thinking "Ithought the Leafs used them all up" and that it was for contracts signed before the lockout |
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lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.25.2011
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Guess we need the leafs to sign someone named Jude to keep this game going - jribout
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lumlums
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 06.25.2011
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We can, but the cap hit counts against us and with all those bonuses, it would be a huge cap burden for years to come:
EXT CAP HIT BREAKDOWN (for copying and pasting)
David Clarkson buyout from CapGeek.com
2015-16: $4,716,667
2016-17: $3,716,667
2017-18: $3,716,667
2018-19: $4,716,667
2019-20: $4,716,667
2020-21: $466,667
2021-22: $466,667
2022-23: $466,667
2023-24: $466,667
2024-25: $466,667
- gravyface
So, anyone still sad about Loiselle getting fired...? |
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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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School of Dozzer art? - LeafMan
Not only am I limited in my skills, I'm also limited in my software - basically using whatever Microsoft has provided me.
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What the hell are you talking about? I just took that picture! |
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gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown Joined: 02.19.2009
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thats how they started last year and kadri JVR had ZERO chemistry
kadri had no chemistry with JVR when bozak was hurt as well.. they do not compliment each other well - Dozzer
I don't really put a lot of faith into chemistry on short stints like that and JVR played with Kadri twice as much as Clarkson did last year (who was on the 3rd line), so they had to have been doing something right. |
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.HOHO.
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Location: Its better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and confirm their suspicions, NS Joined: 07.05.2010
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So after signing Reimer , Do we seriously think Nonis is done for the off season ?
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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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i don't know if it's necessarily the best idea to start Clarkson in a top-6 role. you're expected to produce in a top-6 role. that kind of pressure might not be ideal. he'd probably be better off tucked away down the lineup where he can build his confidence. it will likely be low to start the season so if he's on a top-2 line and then doesn't pop a few early... could be a slippery slope. - DoubleDown
Here's why you are wrong on this:
The pressure on Clarkson (and the scrutiny, and the criticism) is going to be much greater if you jam him on the 3rd line and he plays and contributes like a 3rd liner.
The Leafs are between a rock and a hard place here.
There's really only two ways this can go here:
- play him on the 2nd line and pray to the hockey gods he plays like a second liner, so the fans get off his back
- Any other scenario where he doesn't contribute at a level commensurate with his salary, for which the fans will roast him.
Yep, we are screwed. |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
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Hands down, worst photoshop hack job I've seen in years. - gravyface
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dwoo33
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actually, maybe - PinkSock
Clarkson didn't have chemistry last year so two new line mates might work. Booth might help him in the corners and maybe get some cycling going. Frattin with Kadri maybe they have chemistry still and with a quality player in Lupul. The fins together on the last line with Holland. I like the balance and potentional chemistry with those 4 lines |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
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I don't really put a lot of faith into chemistry on short stints like that and JVR played with Kadri twice as much as Clarkson did last year (who was on the 3rd line), so they had to have been doing something right. - gravyface
JVR and Kessel are closer in age.. dont (frank) with that line, it was one of the best lines in the league offensively last year
dont play with whats not broken |
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gravyface
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Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown Joined: 02.19.2009
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Yeah ok...this is what I was thinking. I thought wonderwick was saying use a compliance buyout because I don't think to do the above makes any sense...but then was thinking "Ithought the Leafs used them all up" and that it was for contracts signed before the lockout - RickJames77
Yeah, no more compliance buyouts left. |
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Location: New Glasgow, NS Joined: 09.04.2008
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TheThrill
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sid, I'm open!, ON Joined: 12.10.2013
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I don't really put a lot of faith into chemistry on short stints like that and JVR played with Kadri twice as much as Clarkson did last year (who was on the 3rd line), so they had to have been doing something right. - gravyface
I think Clarkson starts on 3 with Komarov and Kontiola or Santo and Booth. They will give every chance for Frattin to slide in on that line with Kadri and Loops I think. Similar to how they tried and tried and tried with DC71 despite it not quite working
Ashton and/or Bodie take the last winger spot while the other is in the press box |
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Bigzby
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Inside Candymouth, NV Joined: 07.06.2011
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JVR and Kessel are closer in age.. dont (frank) with that line, it was one of the best lines in the league offensively last year
dont play with whats not broken - Dozzer
You could put lupul with Kessel and JvR with Clarkson, but only because loops and Kessel are pretty good together as well.
Could lead to more balanced scoring. |
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RickJames77
Boston Bruins |
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Location: We’re Too Old, Boston Joined: 04.03.2013
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Clarkson didn't have chemistry last year so two new line mates might work. Booth might help him in the corners and maybe get some cycling going. Frattin with Kadri maybe they have chemistry still and with a quality player in Lupul. The fins together on the last line with Holland. I like the balance and potentional chemistry with those 4 lines - dwoo33
Booth...in the corners? |
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TheThrill
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Location: Sid, I'm open!, ON Joined: 12.10.2013
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JVR and Kessel are closer in age.. dont (frank) with that line, it was one of the best lines in the league offensively last year
dont play with whats not broken - Dozzer
Lupul and Kessel were all-stars when they played together. The same could be said about their line. |
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gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown Joined: 02.19.2009
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JVR and Kessel are closer in age.. dont (frank) with that line, it was one of the best lines in the league offensively last year
dont play with whats not broken - Dozzer
What does age matter?
Kessel's going to put up points regardless and Lupul had a career year playing with Kessel. Hell, Kessel was lighting it up when he was playing with Joey Crabb.
JVR's much better defensively and so is Clarkson and both can play a cycle/physical game that Kessel and Bozak do not; I honestly don't think swapping JVR and Lupul is going to effect overall output on the top 6, but it will create a line on the top 6 that can go head to head against other top lines.
Kadri's still the weak link to calling that a true shutdown line, but Bozak's not that much further ahead of him defensively; Kadri's possession numbers are better too. |
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TheThrill
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Sid, I'm open!, ON Joined: 12.10.2013
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You could put lupul with Kessel and JvR with Clarkson, but only because loops and Kessel are pretty good together as well. - Bigzby
If you are doing this, then you may as well go full-on sheltered line and put Kadri with loops and Kessel.
Bozak, being the better FO man, can take tougher draws and have a couple of net crashers on his wings. Who knows, may work.
But for some reason the Leafs will never, ever split up Bozak and Kessel. Hell, even if Stammer came in 2016, he would get paired with someone else I bet |
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Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON Joined: 02.12.2013
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Yeah ok...this is what I was thinking. I thought wonderwick was saying use a compliance buyout because I don't think to do the above makes any sense...but then was thinking "Ithought the Leafs used them all up" and that it was for contracts signed before the lockout - RickJames77
Yeah, no. I know compliance buyouts are gone. I'm ranting about biting the bullet as painful and unlikely as that would be...more for my own selfish reasons. I hope he plays within his means and forgets about how important he thinks he should be to this team. Just franken play the game. |
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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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I think Clarkson starts on 3 with Komarov and Kontiola or Santo and Booth. They will give every chance for Frattin to slide in on that line with Kadri and Loops I think. Similar to how they tried and tried and tried with DC71 despite it not quite working
Ashton and/or Bodie take the last winger spot while the other is in the press box - TheThrill
Who is Ashton married to?
Yeah, we both know who gets the final spot. |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
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You could put lupul with Kessel and JvR with Clarkson, but only because loops and Kessel are pretty good together as well.
Could lead to more balanced scoring. - Bigzby
dont (frank) with whats working.
lupul kadri can play well together.. they just need a better possession game (and thats on RC) which would allow Clarkson to do the one thing he is good at.. stand in front of the net, screen the goalie, and hammer in rebounds |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
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What does age matter?
Kessel's going to put up points regardless and Lupul had a career year playing with Kessel. Hell, Kessel was lighting it up when he was playing with Joey Crabb.
JVR's much better defensively and so is Clarkson and both can play a cycle/physical game that Kessel and Bozak do not; I honestly don't think swapping JVR and Lupul is going to effect overall output on the top 6, but it will create a line on the top 6 that can go head to head against other top lines.
Kadri's still the weak link to calling that a true shutdown line, but Bozak's not that much further ahead of him defensively; Kadri's possession numbers are better too. - gravyface
well.. try to logic it out all you want, its never going to happen.
JVR Bozak Kessel will be a line this season |
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Dozzer
Referee Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high Joined: 09.15.2010
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Lupul and Kessel were all-stars when they played together. The same could be said about their line. - TheThrill
STOP IT PLEASE
JVR and Kessel were olympians when they played together |
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gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown Joined: 02.19.2009
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Booth...in the corners? - RickJames77
When healthy, his board play is an upgrade over most of our top 9. Key is health; he missed an entire year, then got hurt in training camp, and could never really catch up. See Franson last year.
If he's healthy and has a full off-season/training camp, I see Booth usurping Clarkson on the top 6 eventually. |
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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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What does age matter?
Kessel's going to put up points regardless and Lupul had a career year playing with Kessel. Hell, Kessel was lighting it up when he was playing with Joey Crabb.
JVR's much better defensively and so is Clarkson and both can play a cycle/physical game that Kessel and Bozak do not; I honestly don't think swapping JVR and Lupul is going to effect overall output on the top 6, but it will create a line on the top 6 that can go head to head against other top lines.
Kadri's still the weak link to calling that a true shutdown line, but Bozak's not that much further ahead of him defensively; Kadri's possession numbers are better too. - gravyface
I totally agree with this.
Kessel is under-rated - the guy tends to make things happen on his own, and as he draws more and more attention, he can set up others (he is a very good passer).
Call me crazy, but I'd put him with Clarkson short-term (even if it is on the pre-season) to try to give Clarkson back some mojo.
You fellas may not have noticed, but I'm terrified about what Clarkson could become if he doesn't get his poop together in the first 20 games of this year. |
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