I have the Leafs at #2 and I just published my opinion.
- Pea-Brain

What kind of #2? The bathroom kind?

I have the Leafs at #2 and I just published my opinion.
- Pea-Brain

I have the leafs at 46 and 84.3

i use a different kind of math

i never said it was. I watch alot of the prospects and the hockey news panel just has access to more info / live viewings of prospects than us.

it's not gospel but it's not a joke either.
- clark_griswold

It's somewhere in between - let's call it the Jospel of prospect rankings.

What kind of #2? The bathroom kind?
- Woderwick

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we as fans really cannot say because we know nothing about other teams' prospect systems. to be honest, we don't know much about our own prospect systems.
- DoubleDown

I go to about 1 or 2 Marlies games a year.

Two scenarios:

- go with buddies and get plastered, so I don't remember the game
- take my kids, where I don't really get to watch the game, because I'm taking them to the washroom / buying hotdogs / whatever else they make me do.

Either way, I'm not writing down scouting notes in a binder.

Until they make it to the big club, I have no idea who they are.

And I haven't been to a junior game in over a decade.

well that's pretty standard stuff
- DoubleDown

hence why i dont take stuff like that seriously

As per my post above:

Jason Allison - 60 points in 66 games.

But he was really slow on one penalty shot.

RUN HIM OUT OF TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!

It's the anger that unites us all.
- Atomic Wedgie

he was also on his last legs and a bandaid though....

What kind of #2? The bathroom kind?
- Woderwick

the kind he has on his head

<-----------on komi's head
- Pea-Brain

the kind he has on his head
- the_eye

Yeah agreed. No one gives Burke credit. He had NOTHING and put this team in the right direction.
- JVR_42_PK81

You need to measure that - not against what they looked like pre-Burke - but against what the Leafs would look like if they had one of those "water-drinking birds" (like from the Simpson's) running the team.

I liked Burkie ....but in hindsight, the bird might have won.

antropov ended up being the best of the 3.
stajan is poop and will never be 'good'.
poni must have played another season or 2 and gonzo

toskala should have been shot.
- big_dion

I hated Antropov from the day the Leafs drafted him. I publicly declared that he would never amount to anything.

So even when he had a decent career, I would never admit it to anyone. In my mind he sucked, he continues to suck, he will always suck.

And the funniest thing about it all? I hated him because I wanted the Leafs to draft Mark Bell. And I don't even follow junior hockey, so I can't even remember why I had that in my head. Maybe I liked him at the WJC?

What do you mean Gorges isn't a 88 overall
- JVR_42_PK81

Being a Toronto fan is awesome.

Our best players suck. Kessel is useless. Phaneuf couldn't play on the 3rd pairing on a lot of teams.

But Komarov was the reason we missed the playoffs last year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yeah, we (generalization) definately have everything ass backwards

marlies are great for compete and i'd much rather see a leivo in instead of booth. But the high end forward prospects aren't there. As for the marlies being consistent AHL contenders, that has zero barometer for future NHL success. Sometimes the AHL squads are built of ahl vets or free agent signings. Here are a few recent winners (i went back a while to give them time to reach the show), how many nhl impact players are there?


2009-10 - Hershey Bears - Karl Alzner, Greg Amadio, Keith Aucoin, Jay Beagle, Francois Bouchard, Chris Bourque, John Carlson, Sean Collins, Stefan Della Rovere, Cody Eakin, Simon Ferguson, Alexandre Giroux, Andrew Gordon, Bryan Helmer, Andrew Joudrey, Boyd Kane, Johann Kroll, Grant Lewis, Grant McNeill, Patrick McNeill, Zach Miskovic, Mathieu Perreault, Steve Pinizzotto, Ashton Rome, Patrick Wellar, Kyle Wilson, Dylan Yeo, Jason Bacashihua (G), Braden Holtby (G), Michal Neuvirth (G)

2008-09 - Hershey Bears - Karl Alzner, Greg Amadio, Dean Arsene, Keith Aucoin, Jay Beagle, Francois Bouchard, Chris Bourque, Kip Brennan, John Carlson, Sean Collins, Alexandre Giroux, Andrew Gordon, Bryan Helmer, Andrew Joudrey, Staffan Kronwall, Quintin Laing, Sami Lepisto, Grant McNeill, Patrick McNeill, Graham Mink, Oskar Osala, Mathieu Perreault, Steve Pinizzotto, Darren Reid, Tyler Sloan, Kyle Wilson, Daren Machesney (G), Michal Neuvirth (G)

2007-08 - Chicago Wolves - Matt Anderson, Joey Crabb, Guillaume Desbiens, Andre Deveaux, Kevin Doell, Brian Fahey, Mike Hamilton, Darren Haydar, Jason Krog, Arturs Kulda, Joel Kwiatkowski, Jordan LaVallee, Grant Lewis, Bryan Little, Steve Martins, Joe Motzko, Nathan Oystrick, Karel Pilar, Jesse Schultz, Brian Sipotz, Brett Sterling, Colin Stuart, Boris Valabik, Robert Gherson (G), Ondrej Pavelec (G)

You need to measure that - not against what they looked like pre-Burke - but against what the Leafs would look like if they had one of those "water-drinking birds" (like from the Simpson's) running the team.

I liked Burkie ....but in hindsight, the bird might have won.
- The Law

I love Kessel and all, but I still think we would have been better off not making that deal.

I go to about 1 or 2 Marlies games a year.

Two scenarios:

- go with buddies and get plastered, so I don't remember the game
- take my kids, where I don't really get to watch the game, because I'm taking them to the washroom / buying hotdogs / whatever else they make me do.

Either way, I'm not writing down scouting notes in a binder.

Until they make it to the big club, I have no idea who they are.

And I haven't been to a junior game in over a decade.
- Atomic Wedgie

the way i operate is, everyone drafted in rounds 1-2 is a great prospect. everyone else sucks.

I hated Antropov from the day the Leafs drafted him. I publicly declared that he would never amount to anything.

So even when he had a decent career, I would never admit it to anyone. In my mind he sucked, he continues to suck, he will always suck.

And the funniest thing about it all? I hated him because I wanted the Leafs to draft Mark Bell. And I don't even follow junior hockey, so I can't even remember why I had that in my head. Maybe I liked him at the WJC?
- Atomic Wedgie

And how wrong you were.

the way i operate is, everyone drafted in rounds 1-2 is a great prospect. everyone else sucks.
- DoubleDown

I read reports on rookies written by guys who pretend to know their poop.

marlies are great for compete and i'd much rather see a leivo in instead of booth. But the high end forward prospects aren't there. As for the marlies being consistent AHL contenders, that has zero barometer for future NHL success. Sometimes the AHL squads are built of ahl vets or free agent signings. Here are a few recent winners (i went back a while to give them time to reach the show), how many nhl impact players are there?


2009-10 - Hershey Bears - Karl Alzner, Greg Amadio, Keith Aucoin, Jay Beagle, Francois Bouchard, Chris Bourque, John Carlson, Sean Collins, Stefan Della Rovere, Cody Eakin, Simon Ferguson, Alexandre Giroux, Andrew Gordon, Bryan Helmer, Andrew Joudrey, Boyd Kane, Johann Kroll, Grant Lewis, Grant McNeill, Patrick McNeill, Zach Miskovic, Mathieu Perreault, Steve Pinizzotto, Ashton Rome, Patrick Wellar, Kyle Wilson, Dylan Yeo, Jason Bacashihua (G), Braden Holtby (G), Michal Neuvirth (G)

2008-09 - Hershey Bears - Karl Alzner, Greg Amadio, Dean Arsene, Keith Aucoin, Jay Beagle, Francois Bouchard, Chris Bourque, Kip Brennan, John Carlson, Sean Collins, Alexandre Giroux, Andrew Gordon, Bryan Helmer, Andrew Joudrey, Staffan Kronwall, Quintin Laing, Sami Lepisto, Grant McNeill, Patrick McNeill, Graham Mink, Oskar Osala, Mathieu Perreault, Steve Pinizzotto, Darren Reid, Tyler Sloan, Kyle Wilson, Daren Machesney (G), Michal Neuvirth (G)

2007-08 - Chicago Wolves - Matt Anderson, Joey Crabb, Guillaume Desbiens, Andre Deveaux, Kevin Doell, Brian Fahey, Mike Hamilton, Darren Haydar, Jason Krog, Arturs Kulda, Joel Kwiatkowski, Jordan LaVallee, Grant Lewis, Bryan Little, Steve Martins, Joe Motzko, Nathan Oystrick, Karel Pilar, Jesse Schultz, Brian Sipotz, Brett Sterling, Colin Stuart, Boris Valabik, Robert Gherson (G), Ondrej Pavelec (G)
- clark_griswold

But random 'writers' opnions are? you are a very insightful man.

All you have to do is look at the players who contributed the most during those AHL playoff stretches to figure out who could be NHL worthy.
The reason they Marlies did well was because of the kids. Not the journeymen (bar MacIntyre)

And how wrong you were.
- walshyleafsfan

No I wasn't.

He sucks.

And how wrong you were.
- walshyleafsfan

Antropov!

I love Kessel and all, but I still think we would have been better off not making that deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

I've always said that the problem I had with it was that he needed to get that top centre to compliment him. I think his plan was always to get that Getz-Perr combo and his big horse on D and run with it like he had with the Ducks. He just couldn't find his Getzlaf.

I love Kessel and all, but I still think we would have been better off not making that deal.
- Atomic Wedgie

A lot of ppl say that but we could of easily drafted Gudbranson with Burke in charge and for the 9th overall pick we could of easily drafted a bust. I believe Boston got the best possible value with the picks they got with Seguin and Hamilton. There is no way the leafs would of drafted better than that.

No I wasn't.

He sucks.
- Atomic Wedgie

Crikey, my sarcasm is really not being detected today.

Maybe is used wrongly?

I just wanted to add a . Maybe i should've used or