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Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:09 AM ET
Jero.
- YzermanIsTheMan


What's up hommes?
saskoil21
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 06.09.2009

Jul 22 @ 11:12 AM ET
Look around boys...see Kulikov's deal? See what Franzen Got? Market value for Schultz is close to 4.
- Jeropotato



See Petry, Jeff > Jultz

The worst part is MacT loves him... he will definitely get paid (frank)..
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
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Jul 22 @ 11:13 AM ET
What's up hommes?
- Jeropotato

Living the dream of having a day off and sipping at a beer at 10AM.
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
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Jul 22 @ 11:15 AM ET
See Petry, Jeff > Jultz

The worst part is MacT loves him... he will definitely get paid (frank)..

- saskoil21

We can make Jultz your number one if you trade Petry to the Wings for stuff.
Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:18 AM ET
Living the dream of having a day off and sipping at a beer at 10AM.
- YzermanIsTheMan


Nothing wrong with that!
Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
We can make Jultz your number one if you trade Petry to the Wings for stuff.
- YzermanIsTheMan

Petry for Kronwall? C'mon man, Kronwall is getting old.
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
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Jul 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
Nothing wrong with that!
- Jeropotato

Whatchu been up to, brah?
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
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Jul 22 @ 11:20 AM ET
Petry for Kronwall? C'mon man, Kronwall is getting old.
- Jeropotato

You'd take him in a heart beat.
Jeropotato
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Edmonton Oilers
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Jul 22 @ 11:22 AM ET
See Petry, Jeff > Jultz

The worst part is MacT loves him... he will definitely get paid (frank)..

- saskoil21


Your're probably right, but something tells me Schultz will get a longer term deal like Hall and Ebs, with the hope that the initial overpay will result in a bargain down the road. Schultz is definitely in the Oilers long term plans and that's a good thing...we have yet to see him at his best.
Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:23 AM ET
Whatchu been up to, brah?
- YzermanIsTheMan


(frank) all....drinking beer on my days off over in Kananaskis country. Gearing up for a BC road trip in a couple weeks.
abware
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Jul 22 @ 11:23 AM ET
See Petry, Jeff > Jultz

The worst part is MacT loves him... he will definitely get paid (frank)..

- saskoil21

I'm pretty sure he will get a decent payday, but a part of me thinks he accepts a reasonable bridge under or around 3. Wishful thinking maybe, but no one saw subbans contract coming.
Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:26 AM ET
You'd take him in a heart beat.
- YzermanIsTheMan


Sure would. Longer contract, but even at the end of it,when he's a #4-6 D-man, the money will still be fair.

Not sure what the Wings are doing right now, but I wonder if they would ever entertain trading Datsyul, Zetterberg, Franzon and Kronwall and go with more (high-end) youth?
YzermanIsTheMan
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Jul 22 @ 11:29 AM ET
Sure would. Longer contract, but even at the end of it,when he's a #4-6 D-man, the money will still be fair.

Not sure what the Wings are doing right now, but I wonder if they would ever entertain trading Datsyul, Zetterberg, Franzon and Kronwall and go with more (high-end) youth?

- Jeropotato

To your first response:



To your second: I bet they trade Franzen at some point. Kronner, Dats, and Zeke will probably retire Wings. The youth is looking like its just brimming with great players waiting to break out, but Cleary, Quincy, and Gustavsson and other similar players are (frank)ing them over by continuing on in their place. I really am beginning to dislike Ken Holland.
abware
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Jul 22 @ 11:31 AM ET
Sure would. Longer contract, but even at the end of it,when he's a #4-6 D-man, the money will still be fair.

Not sure what the Wings are doing right now, but I wonder if they would ever entertain trading Datsyul, Zetterberg, Franzon and Kronwall and go with more (high-end) youth?

- Jeropotato

With their new arena coming, you would think they need to stay competitive. They could probably move 1 or 2 pieces but not all of them until the young guys prove they can carry the team. Detroit missing the playoffs for a few years would hurt them really bad.
abware
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Jul 22 @ 11:34 AM ET
To your first response:



To your second: I bet they trade Franzen at some point. Kronner, Dats, and Zeke will probably retire Wings. The youth is looking like its just brimming with great players waiting to break out, but Cleary, Quincy, and Gustavsson and other similar players are (frank)ing them over by continuing on in their place. I really am beginning to dislike Ken Holland.

- YzermanIsTheMan

You can also look at it like they are having a chance to be developed properly. Stepping into roles in their prime with a smaller chance of failure and a lot less pressure.
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
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Jul 22 @ 11:36 AM ET
You can also look at it like they are having a chance to be developed properly. Stepping into roles in their prime with a smaller chance of failure and a lot less pressure.
- abware

I agree that they are doing the right thing for the most part. But there is such a thing as overripening. The fact that players like Jurco, who has the potential to be a 20-30 goal scorer at this point, go back down the minors in favor of Daniel Cleary, is absurd.
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How would you guys like back a former Oiler? He's a great playoff performer.
Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:39 AM ET
With their new arena coming, you would think they need to stay competitive. They could probably move 1 or 2 pieces but not all of them until the young guys prove they can carry the team. Detroit missing the playoffs for a few years would hurt them really bad.
- abware


Probably going to happen anyway. Not being a knob (or at least I'm not trying to be one), but is that really the best course of action ? The Wings can try to just steadily develop young players into NHL'ers, but eventually they are going to need some high end talent. It would be foolish to think they can just pluck the best player in the draft after the 3rd round to get that talent. Why wouldn't they trade those guys for some quality prospects?
Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:40 AM ET
I agree that they are doing the right thing for the most part. But there is such a thing as overripening. The fact that players like Jurco, who has the potential to be a 20-30 goal scorer at this point, go back down the minors in favor of Daniel Cleary, is absurd.
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How would you guys like back a former Oiler? He's a great playoff performer.

- YzermanIsTheMan


I see what you did there.....
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
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Jul 22 @ 11:41 AM ET
I see what you did there.....
- Jeropotato

Morris
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Jul 22 @ 11:42 AM ET
The dude is not worth 3 mill let alone 4 and 5... MacT and his stupid big (frank)ing mouth...
- saskoil21

four years at a cap hit of 3.75 million isn't a terrible deal for a guy like Schultz.

We will be paying more than that for Petry to lock him up long term.
Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:44 AM ET
four years at a cap hit of 3.75 million isn't a terrible deal for a guy like Schultz.

We will be paying more than that for Petry to lock him up long term.

- Morris


I doubt he signs that....16 million over 4 years is about as cheap as see him going.
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
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Jul 22 @ 11:46 AM ET
I doubt he signs that....16 million over 4 years is about as cheap as see him going.
- Jeropotato

You think that much?

That'll give you five defensemen in the 3-4.5 million dollar range. Lot of middle-range contracts there. And will Petry needing an extension and raise, that could look a little hairy for the blue line.
Jeropotato
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Jul 22 @ 11:49 AM ET
You think that much?
- YzermanIsTheMan


Oh (frank) yeah. Think about it. He probably knows he isn't worth that much more than 3 right now, but has the confidence in himself that in 2 years he will worth 6+.
Why sign that long a deal for what he feels will be an eventual underpayment?

I think he signs a 2 yr, 3.25 million per deal.
Morris
Edmonton Oilers
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Jul 22 @ 11:51 AM ET
Oh (frank) yeah. Think about it. He probably knows he isn't worth that much more than 3 right now, but has the confidence in himself that in 2 years he will worth 6+.
Why sign that long a deal for what he feels in and underpayment?

I think he signs a 2 yr, 3.25 million per deal.

- Jeropotato

well the rationale was to give him 4 upfront and 5 in the last year as a lead-in to his next contract.
YzermanIsTheMan
Detroit Red Wings
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Jul 22 @ 11:51 AM ET
Oh (frank) yeah. Think about it. He probably knows he isn't worth that much more than 3 right now, but has the confidence in himself that in 2 years he will worth 6+.
Why sign that long a deal for what he feels in and underpayment?

I think he signs a 2 yr, 3.25 million per deal.

- Jeropotato

Thats not unreasonable I guess.
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