Yep. I'd cringe every time he came out on a shift. The defense was more organized and seem to have more of a plan rather than a free for all. I still to this day have no idea how Capuano could not see this?
- Cptmjl

I'm in the minority here, but I don't hate AMAC. He was overworked and misused. For the guy to be on the PP was a joke. If the isles had a real 1 and 2 dman, it would have pushed everyone back and AMAC would have been where he should have been. A 4,5,6 guy.

Wait Garth isn't reading this?
- Vukota

I hope so.

I agree to a point but it still takes two people to make a ridiculous conversation. Some people take being corrected on some statement about a players contract status for example like its a personal attack. Accept the correction and move on. End of ridiculous conversation.
- PeteM

and as much as I've been one of those two people Pete's talking about, he's absolutely correct here.

Strike a nerve on a hockey message board? Notice the trend here? When you show up its turns into this mess. All day we chat and debate no problems, you show up and where back to this point again. Not to burst your bubble but I don't need 4 windows opened to prove you wrong over and over. With that said vent away buddy
- Vukota

No need......at the end of the day, you're an islander fan, as am I.

I'm in the minority here, but I don't hate AMAC. He was overworked and misused. For the guy to be on the PP was a joke. If the isles had a real 1 and 2 dman, it would have pushed everyone back and AMAC would have been where he should have been. A 4,5,6 guy.
- kindlyrick

I know. You and i have had these debates far too many times

No need......at the end of the day, you're an islander fan, as am I.
- kindlyrick

Fair Enough

Just come out and say it already. Just say that you want to be able to whine and complain about players ,Owners & Coaches without having to actually know what you're talking about. Just say that you want to post incorrect info post after post and don't want anybody else to point out that you have no idea what you're talking about. This way we all know where you stand and nobody will actually think you're serious and therefore probably won't respond thus avoiding a debate. Sound good
- Vukota

wow. Your debates with kindlyrick rival these two other guys i know on this thread

I know. You and i have had these debates far too many times
- Cptmjl

Sorry man I know.....I can't help it.

problem is he is being paid like a top pairing guy and he is a 4
- Dan Petriw

Disagree about Amac being a 4. His first choice of clearing was along the boards and out.

In the SCF, the Rangers did a lot of along the boards and out, and the Kings outworked to clear. Rangers couldnt clear for anything in the finals.

I see Amac as a 6, or an okay 5

wow. Your debates with kindlyrick rival these two other guys i know on this thread
- Cptmjl

We've said our piece. I'm done with it. Plus why should you guys have all the fun

I'm in the minority here, but I don't hate AMAC. He was overworked and misused. For the guy to be on the PP was a joke. If the isles had a real 1 and 2 dman, it would have pushed everyone back and AMAC would have been where he should have been. A 4,5,6 guy.
- kindlyrick

I'm not jumping on you here, but I have to say the last year of Amac was the worst yet. No attempt to play the man, only to stand near him and wave at the puck with one hand on the stick. An incredible number of bone headed turnovers. An incredible number of shots blocked on the PP (lol - no cappy. no) where he'd have his head down and fire it right into the forechecker's shins. Didn't take the man or the stick in front of the net. All he'd do on any given shift would be to fall to the ice when he thought the shot was coming. Shot blocking is a skill, but when that's all you can do it's just a stat. It doesn't excuse his terrible coverage and turnovers, and the argument he was overused isn't valid to me. I saw far too many games where he'd turn the puck over on his first shift - overuse cannot be an excuse when it's happening at the beginning of games when he's fresh.

I have never spent as much time yelling at the tv as I did at him last year. I'd rather have a broken tooth with no pain meds than watch him again. My opinion, I thought he was okay his first couple years, but he went downhill in a big way last year and the fact someone gave him 30 mil for it is hilarious.

Disagree about Amac being a 4. His first choice of clearing was along the boards and out.

In the SCF, the Rangers did a lot of along the boards and out, and the Kings outworked to clear. Rangers couldnt clear for anything in the finals.

I see Amac as a 6, or an okay 5
- Danformo

You are probably right but the kid was playing 1/2 minutes on the isles and was on pump 1. I don't hate AMAC but phuck me, the guy couldn't get it on net from the point to save his life.

Amac isn't even a top 4. He keeps getting icetime like he is, but watching him it's easy to see he's nowhere near a top 4 NHL defenseman. That contract philly gave him is a joke.
- Isles_since_6

I cringe every time someone says he's a top 4. In essence you're calling Snow a facking moron for trading him away due to that being exactly what this team needs. If you say well it's Capuano's fault for the way he used him you'd be wrong because he's our coach next year. Now everyone knows my opinion on Snow and i don't think he's a moron for this particular trade. In fact it was one of his better ones IMO and I'll say he's had a few(literally, lol). If you love Snow and think he's wonderful and you believe AMAC is a top 4 you're completely contradicting yourself. If that were the case then why didn't we just up the ante and pay him like a top4? Makes zero sense.

Sorry man I know.....I can't help it.
- kindlyrick

You're entitled to your opinion even if it's wrong.

I'm not jumping on you here, but I have to say the last year of Amac was the worst yet. No attempt to play the man, only to stand near him and wave at the puck with one hand on the stick. An incredible number of bone headed turnovers. An incredible number of shots blocked on the PP (lol - no cappy. no) where he'd have his head down and fire it right into the forechecker's shins. Didn't take the man or the stick in front of the net. All he'd do on any given shift would be to fall to the ice when he thought the shot was coming. Shot blocking is a skill, but when that's all you can do it's just a stat. It doesn't excuse his terrible coverage and turnovers, and the argument he was overused isn't valid to me. I saw far too many games where he'd turn the puck over on his first shift - overuse cannot be an excuse when it's happening at the beginning of games when he's fresh.

I have never spent as much time yelling at the tv as I did at him last year. I'd rather have a broken tooth with no pain meds than watch him again. My opinion, I thought he was okay his first couple years, but he went downhill in a big way last year and the fact someone gave him 30 mil for it is hilarious.
- Isles_since_6

There's one thing we can all agree on. AMAC was not a top pair guy and was being used as one. Bottom line. When that happens, you're gonna have turnovers, mis cleared pucks etc.

I've said many time that I found it funny that the isles paid AMAC league minimum money and asked him to play Doughty minutes.

Shot blocking isn't the be all end all, but I can assure you when you see your teammate out there tired, battling and taking 90 MPH clappers to the body, that's respect. He was a good teammate.....and noone would have chirped him had he played 10-12 min a night as a bottom pair.

You are probably right but the kid was playing 1/2 minutes on the isles and was on pump 1. I don't hate AMAC but phuck me, the guy couldn't get it on net from the point to save his life.
- kindlyrick

He had some offensive potential, but Idk, it just appeared he never worked on his slapper in the offseason. He really couldn't hit the net

Defense, his corsi speaks for itself

I'm not jumping on you here, but I have to say the last year of Amac was the worst yet. No attempt to play the man, only to stand near him and wave at the puck with one hand on the stick. An incredible number of bone headed turnovers. An incredible number of shots blocked on the PP (lol - no cappy. no) where he'd have his head down and fire it right into the forechecker's shins. Didn't take the man or the stick in front of the net. All he'd do on any given shift would be to fall to the ice when he thought the shot was coming. Shot blocking is a skill, but when that's all you can do it's just a stat. It doesn't excuse his terrible coverage and turnovers, and the argument he was overused isn't valid to me. I saw far too many games where he'd turn the puck over on his first shift - overuse cannot be an excuse when it's happening at the beginning of games when he's fresh.

I have never spent as much time yelling at the tv as I did at him last year. I'd rather have a broken tooth with no pain meds than watch him again. My opinion, I thought he was okay his first couple years, but he went downhill in a big way last year and the fact someone gave him 30 mil for it is hilarious.
- Isles_since_6

Yep. 100% agree. I'm so facking happy he's gone. I thought the guy was incredible his rookie season and his play took a nose dive every season after. I've met Capuano twice. Once when he was the sound tigers coach and another time right after became head coach of the Islanders. He's a really nice guy as most would expect. The first time I met him I asked him who he thought was going to stick and make a really big impact with the big club(this was when he was the soundtigers coach)and without hesitation he was instantly gushing about amac. I was talking to him about general stuff about the team(islanders) the second time I met him and he honestly wouldn't shut up about amac. The guy has a serious man crush on amac. No shat.
The way i look at it is Capuano inadvertently drove up AMAC's trade value by misusing him and playing him like a number 1 or 2 defenseman. Like most things that capuano does that are good it's by accident or inadvertent. That's the only positive I can eek out of it.

There's one thing we can all agree on. AMAC was not a top pair guy and was being used as one. Bottom line. When that happens, you're gonna have turnovers, mis cleared pucks etc.

I've said many time that I found it funny that the isles paid AMAC league minimum money and asked him to play Doughty minutes.

Shot blocking isn't the be all end all, but I can assure you when you see your teammate out there tired, battling and taking 90 MPH clappers to the body, that's respect. He was a good teammate.....and noone would have chirped him had he played 10-12 min a night as a bottom pair.
- kindlyrick

You are definitely correct that based on his pay they were expecting way too much from him. As a 6 I'd take him over carkner, but I lost a few years of life due to the stress of watching him last year lol

There's one thing we can all agree on. AMAC was not a top pair guy and was being used as one. Bottom line. When that happens, you're gonna have turnovers, mis cleared pucks etc.

I've said many time that I found it funny that the isles paid AMAC league minimum money and asked him to play Doughty minutes.

Shot blocking isn't the be all end all, but I can assure you when you see your teammate out there tired, battling and taking 90 MPH clappers to the body, that's respect. He was a good teammate.....and noone would have chirped him had he played 10-12 min a night as a bottom pair.
- kindlyrick

You have a point but if he played those 10 or 12 minutes like he did the 26 minutes a night I watched last season I would have been right here chirping him

Disagree about Amac being a 4. His first choice of clearing was along the boards and out.

In the SCF, the Rangers did a lot of along the boards and out, and the Kings outworked to clear. Rangers couldnt clear for anything in the finals.

I see Amac as a 6, or an okay 5
- Danformo

Don't agree with the bold. I actually believe if he did clear it along the boards more often and did it properly(not when the opposing defender is squeezing the blue line )I wouldn't have disliked him so much on this team. It was his blatant give aways, constantly getting out muscled and out hustled that i couldn't stand to watch anymore.

You have a point but if he played those 10 or 12 minutes like he did the 26 minutes a night I watched last season I would have been right here chirping him
- Cptmjl

that's the thing, if someone said two years ago we'd have amac on the 3rd pairing I'd have been totally fine with it. Now? Not so much. I'm just not willing to watch it anymore and thankfully, I can now enjoy watching Philly

You have a point but if he played those 10 or 12 minutes like he did the 26 minutes a night I watched last season I would have been right here chirping him
- Cptmjl

Fair enough but those 10 min a night would have been against the opposing teams bottom 6 forwards. Big difference than playing against those teams top 6.

Don't agree with the bold. I actually believe if he did clear it along the boards more often and did it properly(not when the opposing defender is squeezing the blue line )I wouldn't have disliked him so much on this team. It was his blatant give aways, constantly getting out muscled and out hustled that i couldn't stand to watch anymore.
- Cptmjl

The worst part about his turnovers were that such a huge chunk of them were along the boards below our own goal line. He was turning the puck over in some really bad spots.

that's the thing, if someone said two years ago we'd have amac on the 3rd pairing I'd have been totally fine with it. Now? Not so much. I'm just not willing to watch it anymore and thankfully, I can now enjoy watching Philly
- Isles_since_6

I actually watched quite a few Philly games after the trade to see if there was any substance to what the Flyer fans were saying as far as AMAC playing good for them. I mean lets face it the Flyers were a better team last year than us so he was less noticeable... To an extent I mean... It was the same old AMAC even though he was playing less minutes. I'm not big on that theory. The guy sucks

The worst part about his turnovers were that such a huge chunk of them were along the boards below our own goal line. He was turning the puck over in some really bad spots.
- eichiefs9

They were also at the worst times. Like right after we scored a tying goal or took the lead. They were so facking blatantly bad. I can't even talk about this anymore