http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?db=201014&sit=5v5&type=individual&teamid=0&pos=defense&minutes=3000&disp=1&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC
Now change it to 4 years

Stats can been manipulated to suit any ones claims
- MTL1

Exactly...

i think it's more scrutiny (see eruption over Kessel fishing Tweet) than it is pressure to win...
- DoubleDown

I think the whole package looks bad

taxes
weather
scrutiny
Carlyle
Phaneuf
and 45+ years of no cups

start me and i'll get the first overall in the leafs hands
- Dozzer

Silver lining...and you'd have $300,000 for beer money.

look at who the cup champ kings ran with as back ups all year

scrivens and some rookie kid

1A / 1B is over rated imo...

you pick your starter, and then go find your backup
- Dozzer

I agree 100%. I'm just not convinced Bernier is durable enough to play 60+ games.

4th amount of even strength icetime for d-men on the Leafs, but he got the second most amount of power play time. He had 282 hits, more than any other NHL d-man.

Franson’s numbers on the attack indicate an above average to strong puck mover. He had 29 points in 45 games in the lock-out season, 33 points in 79 games last year.

He was sent out for a high percentage of defensive zone-starts, though that’s not unusual in Toronto, a team that had a lot of defensive zone-starts.

He most commonly played against players like Tyler Ennis, Steve Ott, Tomas Plekanec, Ville Leino, Matt Read, Valtteri Filppula, Drew Stafford, Drew Miller, Troy Brouwer, Brian Gionta, Jordan Staal and Brian Flynn and Nathan Gerbe

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not sure where he got those players from


from some poop paper on the net

if you're defensive stats suck as bad as franson's i dont give a rats ass how many points he gets

big whoop.. he has a nice snap shot and gets lucky with his up ice passes sometimes.
- Dozzer

a couple weeks ago you said he had a nice little snapper

start me and i'll get the first overall in the leafs hands
- Dozzer

I would be good with that.

18 of his 33 points were from the PP.

So he scored or assisted on 15 goals ES. To get to -20, that means he was on the ice for 35 goals against compared to his contributions ES, or three times as much.

This number only gets worse when you realize the -20 is actually inflated due to the number of goals he was on the ice for in which he did not contribute to point-wise.
- mcleafs

But this argument swings both ways. He was undoubtedly on the ice for goals against that he had nothing to do with as well. This is the flaw in the +/- stat, and why it should be ignored.

playing third pairing minutes with PP time isnt sheltered?

honestly i dont have time right now, but i think you can find it on behindthenet.ca
- Dozzer

he was 4th on the team in 5v5 time

5v5 TOI Mins total / mins game

Gardiner 1363 / 17.03
Phaneuf 1286 /16.08
Gunnarson 1222 / 15.3
Franson 1202 / 15.21
Rielly 1088 / 14.9
Ranger 778 / 14.67
Gleason 570 / 14.61

Does anyone know what number Kulemin is going to wear next year?

Chris Butler played 3000 minutes...lots of guys did
- PinkSock

its not about the total mins

its points per 60 ..

I think the whole package looks bad

taxes
weather
scrutiny
Carlyle
Phaneuf
and 45+ years of no cups
- Aetherial

add in smaller poop like -
if ya own a Pitbull its not a place you want to come, Basketball players where female doging about not getting ESPN

give some 600 thousand dollar flunky the damn job
- Dozzer

Who?

its not about the total mins

its points per 60 ..
- senstroll

so why did you tell me to set it to 2500 minutes

nice,, you left it at 3000 minutes ..which he only played 2600+ in the past 3 years

solid

set it to 2500 and and he is 9th.
- senstroll

But this argument swings both ways. He was undoubtedly on the ice for goals against that he had nothing to do with as well. This is the flaw in the +/- stat, and why it should be ignored.
- djamon

Oh no doubt, but just using it as an indicator if you play percentage likelihood's it still tells a story.

Without even watching a game, what are the chances that it skews so far to the unlucky for Franson that he had nothing to do with a larger portion of GA to skew his +/-?

The problem with this as well is that so many of us here watched a ton of the games, and saw how much of a liability he was.

Another telling stat? Cody's most common partner last year was Jake, who is a whopping +17 better than he. That's a pretty staggering difference considering just how often they paired together.

a couple weeks ago you said he had a nice little snapper




- Aetherial

Cod you stop flooding this plaice with all of the fish references?

I agree 100%. I'm just not convinced Bernier is durable enough to play 60+ games.
- djamon

quick only played 49 last year

a good team doesnt need constant all star goaltending. chicago proves that year in and year out.. good is well.. good enough.

he was 4th on the team in 5v5 time

5v5 TOI Mins total / mins game

Gardiner 1363 / 17.03
Phaneuf 1286 /16.08
Gunnarson 1222 / 15.3
Franson 1202 / 15.21
Rielly 1088 / 14.9
Ranger 778 / 14.67
Gleason 570 / 14.61
- senstroll

yeah i wish there was a easy to find QoC stat. ice time would mean more if we could see who he was playing against.

a couple weeks ago you said he had a nice little snapper




- Aetherial

that does sound like me

Cod you stop flooding this plaice with all of the fish references?
- lumlums

HARRRGGGH BILLY

HARRRGGGH BILLY
- jimi james

Steve Ott?

so why did you tell me to set it to 2500 minutes
- PinkSock

because you switched it to 3 years from 5 (and left it at 3000 mins)
Franson is then not on the list since he only played 2600 (only 57 games 3 seasons ago)

so you made it seem like in the past 3 years he wasnt even in the top 50 in points per 60 ....but he was actually 9th

hope this clears things up

quick only played 49 last year

a good team doesnt need constant all star goaltending. chicago proves that year in and year out.. good is well.. good enough.
- Dozzer

And you think Vokoun or Thomas or Marty would be good enough? I just think Reimer is the best option out there as a backup...providing he gets his head screwed on right about his role. Maybe he can be sold on the idea that the quickest way back to starter is to play well and get traded.

And I would venture we need better goaltending to stay in games than LA...and most teams actually.