English is the only recognized language in the world. get with it.
- DoubleDown

merde

- big_dion

someone should replace the lighthouse with bottles of beer.

someone should replace the lighthouse with bottles of beer.


- zazzle

the legend mikhail will never die.

i will make a new mikhail picture monthly

at 8 million dollars per, he's gettin his knob gobbled by the menu of his choice....tough to be engaged like that....he wants his cake and eat it too until he chooses otherwise
- jimi james

I'd enjoying myself with every women I can (with protection).

you know a good knob gobbling is good for stress relief.

merde
- AdamFrench

English or you're a communist

merde
- AdamFrench

double flush pls.

oh wait it's on my shoe

MERDE!

English or you're a communist
- DoubleDown

- Pecafan Fan

- Pecafan Fan

English or you're a communist
- DoubleDown

I think that's what I was saying - they look at players relative to the salary. To put it another way, if a GM is looking for PP help on the blue line for the playoffs they will take a look at Franson at that $
- Canada Cup

Interesting take on it , Id say he got what his market value is, somewhere in between these 2 lists

http://www.thescore.com/news/540391
Only group 2 restricted free agents can serve as "comparable players" in the salary arbitration process.

If the Maple Leafs are looking at a $2-million valuation of Franson, then they would seem to be alleging that the following players are comparable:

Vancouver Canucks D Chris Tanev (one-year, $2-million AAV)
Calgary Flames D T.J. Brodie (two-years, $2.15-million AAV)
Ottawa Senators D Patrick Wiercioch (three-years, $2-million AAV)
New York Islanders D Calvin de Haan (three-years, $1.966-million AAV)
Detroit Red Wings D Jakub Kindl (four-years, 2.4-million AAV).

There's a player or two on that list who a rational actor definitely wouldn't trade straight up for Franson (namely Brodie), but we're evaluating a case, not the players.

Taking those five comparable players and Franson, let's go from the season before their current contracts kicked in, and take a quick look at how their career games played, career point production, and average time on ice (in the season before their current deal kicked in) compared with Franson:
Defenseman Career GP Career Points TOI/G
Cody Franson 322 133 20:41
Patrick Wiercioch 50 21 15:41
Calvin de Haan 52 16 21:01
Chris Tanev 156 27 20:44
Jakub Kindl 147 30 18:33
T.J. Brodie 104 28 20:13

Based on Franson's service time and production, it seems probable that he's not a $2-million asset.


So how does his resume stack up with players that Franson's camp is likely alleging are comparable? We'll use the following five names:

Los Angeles Kings defender Slava Voynov (six-year, $4.166 million AAV)
Florida Panthers defender Dmitry Kulikov (three-year, $4.33 million AAV)
Nashville Predators defender Roman Josi (seven-year, $4 million AAV)
Washington Capitals defender John Carlson (six-year, $3.966 million AAV)
Anaheim Ducks defender Cam Fowler (five-year, $4 million AAV)

Here's the comparison table - using the same very simple criteria: career games played, career points, average ice-time; compiled from the season before they signed their current contract extension.
Defenseman Career GP Career Points TOI/G
Cody Franson 322 133 20:41
Slava Voynov 102 45 22:18
Roman Josi 100 34 23:31
Dmitry Kulikov 313 99 21:41
John Carlson 186 75 21:51
Cam Fowler 195 80 20:26

http://player.rogersradio.ca/cjcl/on_air

WOW Just taking a huge dump on the leafs right now....holy

"Gunnarson the leafs #2 last dman wasnt even good enough to trade for Roman Polak straight up, they had to throw a pick in"

Plus Bailey is a good Tronna boy, so actually you should include a pick.
- eichiefs9

Toronto boys know the pressure here and would never come.

Moulson, Cammalleri, Bolland, etc. were all players that Toronto talked to on July 1. These guys ask for more money to play here NOT less. There is no home town discount when you have to deal with and answer questions regarding 50 years of failure everyday!

Interesting take on it , Id say he got what his market value is, somewhere in between these 2 lists

http://www.thescore.com/news/540391
Only group 2 restricted free agents can serve as "comparable players" in the salary arbitration process.

If the Maple Leafs are looking at a $2-million valuation of Franson, then they would seem to be alleging that the following players are comparable:

Vancouver Canucks D Chris Tanev (one-year, $2-million AAV)
Calgary Flames D T.J. Brodie (two-years, $2.15-million AAV)
Ottawa Senators D Patrick Wiercioch (three-years, $2-million AAV)
New York Islanders D Calvin de Haan (three-years, $1.966-million AAV)
Detroit Red Wings D Jakub Kindl (four-years, 2.4-million AAV).

There's a player or two on that list who a rational actor definitely wouldn't trade straight up for Franson (namely Brodie), but we're evaluating a case, not the players.

Taking those five comparable players and Franson, let's go from the season before their current contracts kicked in, and take a quick look at how their career games played, career point production, and average time on ice (in the season before their current deal kicked in) compared with Franson:
Defenseman Career GP Career Points TOI/G
Cody Franson 322 133 20:41
Patrick Wiercioch 50 21 15:41
Calvin de Haan 52 16 21:01
Chris Tanev 156 27 20:44
Jakub Kindl 147 30 18:33
T.J. Brodie 104 28 20:13

Based on Franson's service time and production, it seems probable that he's not a $2-million asset.


So how does his resume stack up with players that Franson's camp is likely alleging are comparable? We'll use the following five names:

Los Angeles Kings defender Slava Voynov (six-year, $4.166 million AAV)
Florida Panthers defender Dmitry Kulikov (three-year, $4.33 million AAV)
Nashville Predators defender Roman Josi (seven-year, $4 million AAV)
Washington Capitals defender John Carlson (six-year, $3.966 million AAV)
Anaheim Ducks defender Cam Fowler (five-year, $4 million AAV)

Here's the comparison table - using the same very simple criteria: career games played, career points, average ice-time; compiled from the season before they signed their current contract extension.
Defenseman Career GP Career Points TOI/G
Cody Franson 322 133 20:41
Slava Voynov 102 45 22:18
Roman Josi 100 34 23:31
Dmitry Kulikov 313 99 21:41
John Carlson 186 75 21:51
Cam Fowler 195 80 20:26
- PinkSock

Is it really fair to compare career TOI/G when some of those guys were playing in the NHL at 18 while Franson at 22 and he's never moved past being on the bottom pairing yet? All of those guys as recently as last season were playing as the number one or two defensemen on their team. Voynov has pretty much been the number 2 on two Cup winners

http://player.rogersradio.ca/cjcl/on_air

WOW Just taking a huge dump on the leafs right now....holy

"Gunnarson the leafs #2 last dman wasnt even good enough to trade for Roma Polak straight up, they had to throw a pick in"
- PinkSock

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 14s
Friedman "there have been some teams sniffing around Franson. I think Calgary was one."
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Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 2m
Friedman "Franson is a right shot guy who can score & those guys are important to have"

Toronto boys know the pressure here and would never come.

Moulson, Cammalleri, Bolland, etc. were all players that Toronto talked to on July 1. These guys ask for more money to play here NOT less. There is no home town discount when you have to deal with and answer questions regarding 50 years of failure everyday!


- 13LEAFS01

(frank) em

Toronto boys know the pressure here and would never come.

Moulson, Cammalleri, Bolland, etc. were all players that Toronto talked to on July 1. These guys ask for more money to play here NOT less. There is no home town discount when you have to deal with and answer questions regarding 50 years of failure everyday!


- 13LEAFS01

cept bolland took more money to go play in florida

he didnt sign for less than what the leafs were offering

Is it really fair to compare career TOI/G when some of those guys were playing in the NHL at 18 while Franson at 22 and he's never moved past being on the bottom pairing yet? All of those guys as recently as last season were playing as the number one or two defensemen on their team. Voynov has pretty much been the number 2 on two Cup winners
- AdamFrench

I suppose you have a valid point

and Voynov's numbers are amazing

Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 14s
Friedman "there have been some teams sniffing around Franson. I think Calgary was one."
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Hope_Smoke ‏@Hope_Smoke 2m
Friedman "Franson is a right shot guy who can score & those guys are important to have"
- Canada Cup

What would Calgary offer us?

i hope franson is traded before season starts

What would Calgary offer us?
- JVR_42_PK81

Colborne

Colborne
- markmark

I'm interested in Smid, there 2nd round pick, and what would it take to get hudler?

Is it really fair to compare career TOI/G when some of those guys were playing in the NHL at 18 while Franson at 22 and he's never moved past being on the bottom pairing yet? All of those guys as recently as last season were playing as the number one or two defensemen on their team. Voynov has pretty much been the number 2 on two Cup winners
- AdamFrench

none of them were 18

Cody Franson 22
Slava Voynov 22
Roman Josi 21
Dmitry Kulikov 19
John Carlson 21
Cam Fowler 19

its pretty close.. isnt that nit piking?

if Franson was on the Kings and not the crappy leafs.. he would have gotten 4.5 easily. the leafs can kill a players stats easily

What would Calgary offer us?
- JVR_42_PK81

make a package for Giordano