More Motorhead and Maiden is always a good thing!
- BiggE

Understatement of the forever

None of those players as great as they were..... are as proficient at every facet of the game. Lindros could literally do it ALL. Skate, Shoot, Pass, Check, Fight, Faceoffs, Defense was above average as well. Except play goaltender.
- GOA88

Bobby Orr was actually a pretty tough customer. He couldn't take faceoffs as well, but to me, the amount that Orr and Lemieux excelled beyond Lindros at their other traits puts them at least on par with Lindros.

But, by the same token, Lindros wasn't as good defensively as Orr, he wasn't as good of a skater as either, he didn't have the hands of Lemieux. But, to me, those were the 3 players who were most able to dominate a game for large stretches.

Yeah, I like Billy Joel, but a whole channel was a bit much
- Jsaquella

totes malotes

Also, I would be happy if I never heard "Only the Good Die Young" ever again. I like Joel, but that song grates on the nerves.

I saw them say something like that, that he'd have to earn a spot, and wouldn't be handed a job on the Flyers & I agree with it 100%.

If he's playing 4 th line & getting 8 minutes a night, I'd rather him play in the AHL, getting 20 minutes a night under a good teaching coach like Murray
- Jsaquella

I could live with him getting 8-9 minutes on the 4th line under 2 conditions:
1. He's playing with decent wingers such as PEB, Akeson etc.. and
2. He's also getting some time on the PK

Fair enough. No young player should have a spot to lose in camp unless they're a can't-miss Tavares-type or better. If he really wants to make the team, then he needs to earn it in camp and make it impossible to send him to the AHL.
- jmatchett383

I never saw him as a winger, especially with what we've seen in the development of Sean Couturier. I did have him penciled in as our fourth line center but it didn't exactly do much for him his first time around, so it makes sense.

My issue is this. What I take from the link I posted is, they're really pushing for Sean Couturier to play in the top six if they can move LeCavalier. Nothing wrong with this except what happens when Laughton proves to be a top 6 player someday? I've already faced countless arguments defending LeCavalier playing center, while Schenn plays wing but it's looking more and more like Schenn is going to have to be a winger regardless. As much as the big question for Schenn has been center or wing, the next biggest question whether or not Vinny gets shipped out is, how do we get Laughton in the top 6 within the next 3 to 5 years?

Understatement of the forever
- BulliesPhan87

In todays NHL he would be even more dominant. How would you stop him if you cant hold onto him??
- GOA88

Lindros in his prime would be the best player in the NHL today. He was the most dominating player I have ever seen when you factor in all of his game. The scoring, passing, hitting, and fighting. He even sounded different when he skated. Like his blades were gouging out chunks of ice with every stride.

Forsberg was great, no doubt. Just not a Lindros. IMO. Forsberg also had the luxury of playing behind Sakic almost his whole career. Lindros also was much bigger, stronger and could score more goals.
- GOA88

Forsberg was a guy who could dominate a shift or a period because he was so strong on his legs (like Fedorov). Lindros could dominate a game or playoff series.

So, a question to you all:

After the moves that the Flyers have made this off season, where do you see the team finishing this upcoming year?

I think that if they stay relatively healthy (always a key) and young players like Couturier and B. Schenn continue to improve, that they will finish somewhere between 95-100 points.

At 95 points, I think they finish 3rd or 4th in the division and, if they are 4th, squeak in as the 7th or 8th seed. If they reach 100 points, I think they are either 2nd or 3rd in the division.

Thoughts?
- BiggE

I think the Flyers will miss the playoffs. A lot will have to go right to make the playoffs, like B. Schenn and Couturier developing, Mason continued consistency and the team staying completely healthy which they did last year for the most part which means it will be unlikely it happens again.

I also don't think missing the playoffs would be the worst thing to happen to the team. The 2015 draft is supposedly stacked with difference makers well after the 1st few picks and if the Flyers can unload some bad contracts at the deadline, it could be well worth it in the long run.

Bobby Orr was actually a pretty tough customer. He couldn't take faceoffs as well, but to me, the amount that Orr and Lemieux excelled beyond Lindros at their other traits puts them at least on par with Lindros.

But, by the same token, Lindros wasn't as good defensively as Orr, he wasn't as good of a skater as either, he didn't have the hands of Lemieux. But, to me, those were the 3 players who were most able to dominate a game for large stretches.
- jmatchett383

As someone who is old enough to have seen Orr play, all I can say is that he was, hands down, the best player I ever saw.

Bobby Orr was actually a pretty tough customer. He couldn't take faceoffs as well, but to me, the amount that Orr and Lemieux excelled beyond Lindros at their other traits puts them at least on par with Lindros.

But, by the same token, Lindros wasn't as good defensively as Orr, he wasn't as good of a skater as either, he didn't have the hands of Lemieux. But, to me, those were the 3 players who were most able to dominate a game for large stretches.
- jmatchett383

Comparing Orr to Lindros/Gretzky/Lemieux is like comparing apples to oranges. Orr was a D-man. As you know. I just cant help but think what Lindros could have done in the 80's with that horrible goaltending. LOL

Lindros in his prime would be the best player in the NHL today. He was the most dominating player I have ever seen when you factor in all of his game. The scoring, passing, hitting, and fighting. He even sounded different when he skated. Like his blades were gouging out chunks of ice with every stride.
- MBFlyerfan

I never thought he was that good of a fighter. Sure he beat up Lee Norwood and had a good first round against Stevens. He could beat up pests like Barnaby and Ulanov, and the dangerous Karpotsev. But he never beat a true heavyweight like McSorely.

I saw them say something like that, that he'd have to earn a spot, and wouldn't be handed a job on the Flyers & I agree with it 100%.

If he's playing 4 th line & getting 8 minutes a night, I'd rather him play in the AHL, getting 20 minutes a night under a good teaching coach like Murray
- Jsaquella

It's probably the smartest most patient move I've seen with a high drafted talent we've made in years.

Lindros in his prime would be the best player in the NHL today. He was the most dominating player I have ever seen when you factor in all of his game. The scoring, passing, hitting, and fighting. He even sounded different when he skated. Like his blades were gouging out chunks of ice with every stride.
- MBFlyerfan

The dude was an absolute freight train. The only way the opposing teams could stop him was give him a head shot. It was either do that or lose the game/series. Unfortunately.

Comparing Orr to Lindros/Gretzky/Lemieux is like comparing apples to oranges. Orr was a D-man. As you know. I just cant help but think what Lindros could have done in the 80's with that horrible goaltending. LOL
- GOA88

Well then you can't say that Lindros was more dominating than Orr, which you did. You'd have to say they were each the most dominating at their position.

I never thought he was that good of a fighter. Sure he beat up Lee Norwood and had a good first round against Stevens. He could beat up pests like Barnaby and Ulanov, and the dangerous Karpotsev. But he never beat a true heavyweight like McSorely.
- jmatchett383

Held his own...

I could live with him getting 8-9 minutes on the 4th line under 2 conditions:
1. He's playing with decent wingers such as PEB, Akeson etc.. and
2. He's also getting some time on the PK
- BiggE

Exactly, I want him playing a lot in all situations. If he's on the 4th line & PK, plus sliding up to the third line periodically, he'd end up getting good minutes.

Not gonna lie... I totally thought your article said "fett" rather than flett.

I'm really disappointed, Bill.

Well then you can't say that Lindros was more dominating than Orr, which you did. You'd have to say they were each the most dominating at their position.
- jmatchett383

I was just saying that Lindros had more intangibles.

Held his own...
- GOA88

Yeah. He held on and managaed to not get punched too much by McSorely. But aside from Stevens, name one legit heavyweight (or even Stevens-type) that he beat.

Forsberg was a guy who could dominate a shift or a period because he was so strong on his legs (like Fedorov). Lindros could dominate a game or playoff series.
- jmatchett383

IMO, Forsberg > Lindros.

(wish both of them had been healthier)

As someone who is old enough to have seen Orr play, all I can say is that he was, hands down, the best player I ever saw.
- BiggE

those Boston teams were good

I was just saying that Lindros had more intangibles.
- GOA88

Well, yes, Bobby Orr wasn't as good at faceoffs as Lindros was.

IMO, Forsberg > Lindros.
- Tomahawk

If you look at their careers overall, yes. If you could have one game/series with a fully healthy player in their prime, I take Lindros.

I never thought he was that good of a fighter. Sure he beat up Lee Norwood and had a good first round against Stevens. He could beat up pests like Barnaby and Ulanov, and the dangerous Karpotsev. But he never beat a true heavyweight like McSorely.
- jmatchett383

He should never have been fighting McSorely.

So ill pose this question: Name another skill player who could fight like him.