As much as I like Trouba, no. He's a Ghostisbehere-type, not a Doughty type.
- jmatchett383

Just testing how far you'd go for that elusive #1 D, lol.

Trouba's like Jack Johnson with hockey sense.

Just testing how far you'd go for that elusive #1 D, lol.

Trouba's like Jack Johnson with hockey sense.
- Tomahawk

More or less, yes.

But I mean that Pronger/Doughty/Weber/Suter type.

I really want to keep Coots, but if that defenseman is young and talented enough, I'm listening *cough*gormleyyeahibroughtuphisnameagain*cough*

It would pain me to move Simmonds because that was one of the contracts Homer actually did a great job with.

of course, that's who everybody wants from the Flyers. After Giroux, I bet Simmonds is the most attractive asset. Great player with a nice deal.
- Hesh_

That trade is laughable. Trading a kid in couturier who is already known as one of the best defensive forwards in the game for a prospect is ludacris. Gromley has loads of potential but the value isn't even in the same ballpark. Couturier has selke written all over him and sooner rather then later.

A few people think Jake is the 2nd best forward on the team

One person thinks Jake is the 3rd best forward on the team

We're arguing about this.

That's pathetic.

While I agree with you that Voracek is the safer bet to play on a top line role with his skill sets, I think the boarderline elite title is deserving for the time being. When it comes to Simmonds vs Voracek it really depends on what the top line calls for.

Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds
Umburger-Lecavalier-Voracek
Raffl-Couturier-Read

When I suggested these lines earlier today, I was speaking from the assumption that Lecavalier would still be around. As long as Vinny is here, it's only a smart investment to vet the best bang for our buck to raised his value. Voracek is more of a passer, so who's to say Voracek cannot benefit from setting up Lecavalier, while playing with a familar face from Columbus in Umburger who has a strong defensive game.

Without Hartnell I think Giroux could benefit from playing with Simmonds as much as Simmonds with Giroux. Guys like Hartnell and Knuble while cursed with limited skill, still have an important role that manage to make the Forsberg's and the Briere's of the world even better by creating space five on five. A Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds reminds me a lot liks a Gagne-Forsberg-Knuble line with Brayden Schenn being more of a natural shooter and being more physical along the way.

I'm not convinced that Schenn cannot be a front line player regardless of whether or not he plays center or wing with all he's accomplished through his road leading up to the NHL.

This isn't to say Schenn or Simmonds are better then Voracek. They just might be best suited next to Giroux then Voracek. Keep in mind that even Kane is interchangeable when it comes to playing with Toews. They can play together. They can play apart.
- SuperSchennBros

I've spent the entire summer calling for Giroux and Voracek to be split, regardless of Lecavalier being on the team or not.

I would further strongly consider using Simmonds with Giroux.

Splitting Voracek and Giroux gives the team more skill and dynamic possession ability throughout the lines, which likely translates into better play at 5 on 5, which is really the biggest issues(despite the slow defensemen) the team faced last season.

That trade is laughable. Trading a kid in couturier who is already known as one of the best defensive forwards in the game for a prospect is ludacris. Gromley has loads of potential but the value isn't even in the same ballpark. Couturier has selke written all over him and sooner rather then later.
- 28Girouxsalem28

did I say I trade them straight up?

and the kid is projected to be a pretty serious NHL top liner. He's already got AHL experience and has thrived. He's ready. The Yotes have done pretty well with their blue line picks.

That trade is laughable. Trading a kid in couturier who is already known as one of the best defensive forwards in the game for a prospect is ludacris. Gromley has loads of potential but the value isn't even in the same ballpark. Couturier has selke written all over him and sooner rather then later.
- 28Girouxsalem28

I'm gonna get on board here. Gormley is about 20th on the list of players I'd trade Couturier for.

did I say I trade them straight up?
- Hesh_

No, but you implied he'd be the centerpiece.

More or less, yes.

But I mean that Pronger/Doughty/Weber/Suter type.
- jmatchett383

I think that, in time, Trouba could be close to that group.

But I mean that Pronger/Doughty/Weber/Suter type.
- jmatchett383

IMO, he'll be there -- he's pretty much the total package.

Not saying I would do that trade, but it would definitely give me pause. Scheifele's got beast written all over him, too.

Maybe it could be shades of Recchi for LeClair/Desjardins.

A few people think Jake is the 2nd best forward on the team

One person thinks Jake is the 3rd best forward on the team

We're arguing about this.

That's pathetic.
- Giroux_Is_God

The real question is, is Rosehill the 4th or 5th best player on the team?

really, I'm kidding on the overpayment part. It's just been a part of our history.

I've really got my fingers crossed with Hextall that he will change the culture to a Western style as soon as he can undo the giant knot put in front of him.

He's gotta show them you can still be nasty, and yet have talent, too
- Hesh_

And as Free Agency recently showed. The Flyers are the only team that overpays players. I think Hextall is going to try and change the culture. But I wouldn't label it a Western style. I don't think Conference has anything to do with it.

I think that, in time, Trouba could be close to that group.
- Jsaquella

Do you think he has the physical play of those guys?

If Gostisbehere is half as good as Trouba ends up being, he'll be the best third round pick in Flyers history.
- Jsaquella

I agree, just comparing the playing styles. I'd say that Ghost also plays like Jack Johnson, but not saying they're CLOSE to the same player. Just the style.

Do you think he has the physical play of those guys?
- jmatchett383

Not Pronger or Weber, but let's face it, Doughty isn't as physical as them and Suter isn't either.

Do you think he has the physical play of those guys?
- jmatchett383

Guess who TSN put him as a comparable on draft day.... Adam Foote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FJd-4855ig

Not Pronger or Weber, but let's face it, Doughty isn't as physical as them and Suter isn't either.
- Jsaquella

No, but they can use their bodies effectively whether or not they're throwing monster hits.

did I say I trade them straight up?

and the kid is projected to be a pretty serious NHL top liner. He's already got AHL experience and has thrived. He's ready. The Yotes have done pretty well with their blue line picks.
- Hesh_

It sure sounded like that they would be the big parts of a deal.

Guess who TSN put him as a comparable on draft day.... Adam Foote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FJd-4855ig
- Tomahawk

I just don't see that at all.

No, but they can use their bodies effectively whether or not they're throwing monster hits.
- jmatchett383

True, I think Trouba will learn to do that as he gets older. He's still got some growing to do, but he'll never be a 6'6" 225 lb monster.

So is schenn. Schenn needs alot more devolpement at C the couturier. Unless schenn is destined to be a top line LW for his career he needs to be in center taking and winning draws and learning more. You move him to wing and it puts a stop to that. Couturier is already a proven C and shut down man. He needs his offense to really come out. Schenn is still a work in progress and he is not ready for first line duties. If rather have Laughton play top line wing then slow schenns devolpement.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Couturier is already a proven Center and shut down man. So let's move him to Wing. Makes sense.

Playing Schenn at LW with Giroux is not going to slow his development.

It sure sounded like that they would be the big parts of a deal.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Exactly. That's like me saying, "I'd trade Giroux for Marcel Goc.," when what I really mean is Marcel Goc and Sidney Crosby and Pittsburgh's next 4 1st round picks.

Read and simmonds are better d wise then voracek. Voracek got alot better last year but read is infinitely better on d then him.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Simmonds is not better defensively then Voracek is. Simmonds is below average defensively, while Voracek is solid defensively.

I just don't see that at all.
- jmatchett383

Haha, yeah, it was a really bad comparable. He's mean and loves to take the body... will fight, too, though.

True, I think Trouba will learn to do that as he gets older. He's still got some growing to do, but he'll never be a 6'6" 225 lb monster.
- Jsaquella

I know. I think he'll be an all star-level player. I don't know if he'll ever get to Erik Karlson numbers, but I think he's a good comparison.