Simmonds does not have the speed, puckhandling or passing ability to drive play forward.
- Feanor

I disagree about speed.. Simmonds has good speed. The problem is that his puck handling is below average for a top 6 winger and he doesnt have the playmaker's instinct. He is a guy that will live and die on the PP and in front of the net.

And how many of those goal were rebound goals scored from 3 feet out? Voracek is the more skilled overall player. He just is. He drives play and creates chances. Simmonds is a better finisher.
- jmatchett383

So goals mean less when u score from in front of the net? I think it's much harder to plant in front of the net fighting for postion then it is to come in on your off wing and score a writer from the circle. A goal is a goal no matter where it's scored from.

I'd trade anyone not named Giroux/Couturier for a legit top-pair defenseman under 30.
- jmatchett383

I really want to keep Coots, but if that defenseman is young and talented enough, I'm listening *cough*gormleyyeahibroughtuphisnameagain*cough*

It would pain me to move Simmonds because that was one of the contracts Homer actually did a great job with.

of course, that's who everybody wants from the Flyers. After Giroux, I bet Simmonds is the most attractive asset. Great player with a nice deal.

I disagree about speed.. Simmonds has good speed. The problem is that his puck handling is below average for a top 6 winger and he doesnt have the playmaker's instinct. He is a guy that will live and die on the PP and in front of the net.
- jak521

Simmonds speed is decent, above average even. Voracek's is elite.

If Simmonds was the key piece to acquiring a Shea Weber-type player, he's going.
- jmatchett383

Would you be willing to move Giroux if it netted you an unproven #1 C and a legit #1 D? Like Scheifele and Trouba, something like that.

So goals mean less when u score from in front of the net? I think it's much harder to plant in front of the net fighting for postion then it is to come in on your off wing and score a writer from the circle. A goal is a goal no matter where it's scored from.
- 28Girouxsalem28

They take different skill sets. One is more finesse, speed, smarts and agility based, the other is more based on strength, passion and fearlessness.

So goals mean less when u score from in front of the net? I think it's much harder to plant in front of the net fighting for postion then it is to come in on your off wing and score a writer from the circle. A goal is a goal no matter where it's scored from.
- 28Girouxsalem28

It's physically much more difficult, sure.

But in terms of ability and skill, it's a lot more rare to see a guy with the tools Voracek has.

So would I, but I value Simmonds and Voracek very highly.

I would trade any player in the right deal.

With all the young defenseman, I'm not as eager to make a deal for that legit #1. I would certainly look into it, but the team isn't in as bad of a position as before.
- PhillySportsGuy

I still would, only because none of our prospects are assured to be that guy, or even be effective NHL defenseman. If it's a proven player, I'd do it.

So goals mean less when u score from in front of the net? I think it's much harder to plant in front of the net fighting for postion then it is to come in on your off wing and score a writer from the circle. A goal is a goal no matter where it's scored from.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Voracek is much faster and better playmaker.simmomds has a better scoring touch and much more physical. Comparing them is very hard but the gap between them isn't much. Voracek also plays with one of the best players in the league every shift. Simmonds plays with 3rd year player with not much playmaking ability in schenn.

Would you be willing to move Giroux if it netted you an unproven #1 C and a legit #1 D? Like Scheifele and Trouba, something like that.
- Tomahawk

Nope.. I need to see a sustained level of play for a few seasons..

Would you be willing to move Giroux if it netted you an unproven #1 C and a legit #1 D? Like Scheifele and Trouba, something like that.
- Tomahawk

I wouldn't

So goals mean less when u score from in front of the net? I think it's much harder to plant in front of the net fighting for postion then it is to come in on your off wing and score a writer from the circle. A goal is a goal no matter where it's scored from.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Not at all. But it's about more than just goals.

So, would you argue that Nik Zherdev is better than Sean Couturier because he scored more goals?

I really want to keep Coots, but if that defenseman is young and talented enough, I'm listening *cough*gormleyyeahibroughtuphisnameagain*cough*

It would pain me to move Simmonds because that was one of the contracts Homer actually did a great job with.

of course, that's who everybody wants from the Flyers. After Giroux, I bet Simmonds is the most attractive asset. Great player with a nice deal.
- Hesh_

I'd prefer to trade Schenn than Simmonds or Voracek...and definitely more than Couturier

Would you be willing to move Giroux if it netted you an unproven #1 C and a legit #1 D? Like Scheifele and Trouba, something like that.
- Tomahawk

sure would help your cap hit, but who's gonna make plays? giroux, even if not credited, is often involved with the creation of scoring chances and goals.

I like trouba, though

Would you be willing to move Giroux if it netted you an unproven #1 C and a legit #1 D? Like Scheifele and Trouba, something like that.
- Tomahawk

As much as I like Trouba, no. He's a Ghostisbehere-type, not a Doughty type.

It's physically much more difficult, sure.

But in terms of ability and skill, it's a lot more rare to see a guy with the tools Voracek has.
- Jsaquella

Honestly, I believe that if I stood in front of a net in the NHL, I could eventually pot a goal or 12. Deflect of my feet, legs, face, whatever. I dont think I could ever come down the wing with speed, blow by a d-man, and bury a wrister. One is MUCH more difficult than the other.

I'd prefer to trade Schenn than Simmonds or Voracek...and definitely more than Couturier
- Jsaquella

agreed. no arguments there.

They take different skill sets. One is more finesse, speed, smarts and agility based, the other is more based on strength, passion and fearlessness.
- jak521

The latter I hear are grown in Scarborough on the regular.

I'd take Voracek every time. Voracek is a borderline elite winger(and several people I know would drop the borderline from that statement). Simmonds is a highly effective PP guy and a good, solid 2nd line winger who has grit and will fight along the boards.

But Simmonds is prone to streakiness and doesn't produce as much at 5 on 5 as he does on the PP.
- Jsaquella

While I agree with you that Voracek is the safer bet to play on a top line role with his skill sets, I think the boarderline elite title is deserving for the time being. When it comes to Simmonds vs Voracek it really depends on what the top line calls for.

Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds
Umburger-Lecavalier-Voracek
Raffl-Couturier-Read

When I suggested these lines earlier today, I was speaking from the assumption that Lecavalier would still be around. As long as Vinny is here, it's only a smart investment to vet the best bang for our buck to raised his value. Voracek is more of a passer, so who's to say Voracek cannot benefit from setting up Lecavalier, while playing with a familar face from Columbus in Umburger who has a strong defensive game.

Without Hartnell I think Giroux could benefit from playing with Simmonds as much as Simmonds with Giroux. Guys like Hartnell and Knuble while cursed with limited skill, still have an important role that manage to make the Forsberg's and the Briere's of the world even better by creating space five on five. A Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds reminds me a lot liks a Gagne-Forsberg-Knuble line with Brayden Schenn being more of a natural shooter and being more physical along the way.

I'm not convinced that Schenn cannot be a front line player regardless of whether or not he plays center or wing with all he's accomplished through his road leading up to the NHL.

This isn't to say Schenn or Simmonds are better then Voracek. They just might be best suited next to Giroux then Voracek. Keep in mind that even Kane is interchangeable when it comes to playing with Toews. They can play together. They can play apart.

The latter I hear are grown in Scarborough on the regular.
- Pixote Andolini

Sing parsley, sage, rosemary, and thyme???

The latter I hear are grown in Scarborough on the regular.
- Pixote Andolini

well look at the name of the city!

While I agree with you that Voracek is the safer bet to play on a top line role with his skill sets, I think the boarderline elite title is deserving for the time being. When it comes to Simmonds vs Voracek it really depends on what the top line calls for.

Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds
Umburger-Lecavalier-Voracek
Raffl-Couturier-Read

When I suggested these lines earlier today, I was speaking from the assumption that Lecavalier would still be around. As long as Vinny is here, it's only a smart investment to vet the best bang for our buck to raised his value. Voracek is more of a passer, so who's to say Voracek cannot benefit from setting up Lecavalier, while playing with a familar face from Columbus in Umburger who has a strong defensive game.

Without Hartnell I think Giroux could benefit from playing with Simmonds as much as Simmonds with Giroux. Guys like Hartnell and Knuble while cursed with limited skill, still have an important role that manage to make the Forsberg's and the Briere's of the world even better by creating space five on five. A Schenn-Giroux-Simmonds reminds me a lot liks a Gagne-Forsberg-Knuble line with Brayden Schenn being more of a natural shooter and being more physical along the way.

I'm not convinced that Schenn cannot be a front line player regardless of whether or not he plays center or wing with all he's accomplished through his road leading up to the NHL.

This isn't to say Schenn or Simmonds are better then Voracek. They just might be best suited next to Giroux then Voracek. Keep in mind that even Kane is interchangeable when it comes to playing with Toews. They can play together. They can play apart.
- SuperSchennBros

STOP IT!!!

It's physically much more difficult, sure.

But in terms of ability and skill, it's a lot more rare to see a guy with the tools Voracek has.
- Jsaquella

He's the only guy on the team who could have got behind McDonagh to score this second goal.

http://flyers.nhl.com/gam...en/boxscore?id=2013030142

As much as I like Trouba, no. He's a Ghostisbehere-type, not a Doughty type.
- jmatchett383

If Gostisbehere is half as good as Trouba ends up being, he'll be the best third round pick in Flyers history.

well look at the name of the city!
- jak521

Ha