I disagree. Other then g no one goes after a puck harder then simmonds. He is tenacious that way. Plus not many strip him of the puck and when they do he is the first to try and get it back.
- 28Girouxsalem28

So if you had to pick between having voracek or simmonds you'd pick voracek? I wouldn't I'd take simmonds every time.

Either that, or ketchup will do.
- feelingkettle

There, happy?!

So if you had to pick between having voracek or simmonds you'd pick voracek? I wouldn't I'd take simmonds every time.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Did you just argue with yourself?

So if you had to pick between having voracek or simmonds you'd pick voracek? I wouldn't I'd take simmonds every time.
- 28Girouxsalem28

I love both of them. I would take Voracek though

Did you just argue with yourself?
- jmatchett383

Lol not arguing. Just clicked the wrong quote box

1+ million on that type of player? I guess it's not a huge deal, but there were better options that were cheaper.
- PLindbergh31

At least the guy can skate... more than I can say for the other bums that have graced the popcorn suite over the years.

I love both of them. I would take Voracek though
- PhillySportsGuy

DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE

So if you had to pick between having voracek or simmonds you'd pick voracek? I wouldn't I'd take simmonds every time.
- 28Girouxsalem28

I'd take Voracek every time. Voracek is a borderline elite winger(and several people I know would drop the borderline from that statement). Simmonds is a highly effective PP guy and a good, solid 2nd line winger who has grit and will fight along the boards.

But Simmonds is prone to streakiness and doesn't produce as much at 5 on 5 as he does on the PP.

DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE
- -davies-

Choose.

At least the guy can skate... more than I can say for the other bums that have graced the popcorn suite over the years.
- Tomahawk

yeah, he's got some mobility. Not the end of the world obviously. Kind of like worrying about a hangnail, when your jugular has been severed.

I'd take Voracek every time. Voracek is a borderline elite winger(and several people I know would drop the borderline for that statement). Simmonds is a highly effective PP guy and a good, solid 2nd line winger who has grit and will fight along the boards.

But Simmonds is prone to streakiness and doesn't produce as much at 5 on 5 as he does on the PP.
- Jsaquella

If you put simmonds on g wing he would have alot more points on 5v5 too. Simmonds could be a top line player if voracek wasn't there.

I had to step into work and of course I missed out on the on going Saga that is, will Schenn be a center or winger this upcoming season? I vote Wing.

If you put simmonds on g wing he would have alot more points on 5v5 too. Simmonds could be a top line player if voracek wasn't there.
- 28Girouxsalem28

It's possible, but Voracek has driven play and produced away from Giroux, too. Simmonds has been a better PP player than ES player ever since joining the Flyers.

EDIT: as an aside, I would split Giroux and Voracek up this year, and probably put Simmonds on either Giroux's line or with Couturier & Read.

http://www.russianmachine...-break-up-end-engagement/

Poor OV... the one that got away

So if you had to pick between having voracek or simmonds you'd pick voracek? I wouldn't I'd take simmonds every time.
- 28Girouxsalem28

After Giroux the only other player on the Flyers with upper echelon NHL skills is Voracek. After Voracek the talent level drops considerably IMO.

It's possible, but Voracek has driven play and produced away from Giroux, too. Simmonds has been a better PP player than ES player ever since joining the Flyers.
- Jsaquella

When has voracek been away from Giroux. He also has more even strength time then simmonds and plays with far better center and playmaker. Given the chance I think simmonds would be amazing next to Giroux. If hartnell can score 37 goals while falling down 35 times a game then simmonds could hit 40 goals.

It's possible, but Voracek has driven play and produced away from Giroux, too. Simmonds has been a better PP player than ES player ever since joining the Flyers.

EDIT: as an aside, I would split Giroux and Voracek up this year, and probably put Simmonds on either Giroux's line or with Couturier & Read.
- Jsaquella

Yeah I'm all for separating G and Voracek.

Might want to try a frenchie line with the France kid, G and VLC.
Who knows maybe add some mayo and BAM! a legitimate top scoring unit?
Frees up Couts and Schenn to work lines with a bit more talent.
Read/Schenn/Voracek
Umberger/Couturier/Simmonds

Not too bad IMO.

When has voracek been away from Giroux. He also has more even strength time then simmonds and plays with far better center and playmaker. Given the chance I think simmonds would be amazing next to Giroux. If hartnell can score 37 goals while falling down 35 times a game then simmonds could hit 40 goals.
- 28Girouxsalem28

Not sold on that. Voracek spent his entire first season as a Flyer not playing with Giroux. He drives play no matter who is on the ice with him.

Both are good players, Voracek is better, IMO. To put it another way, If a team was trading a good defenseman and said Voracek or Simmonds, I'd trade Simmonds

After Giroux the only other player on the Flyers with upper echelon NHL skills is Voracek. After Voracek the talent level drops considerably IMO.
- Pixote Andolini

That's just false. Simmonds had six more goals and 2 less points then voracek playing less minutes on ES. Read had as may goals playing shut down 3rd line with limited pp time.

When has voracek been away from Giroux. He also has more even strength time then simmonds and plays with far better center and playmaker. Given the chance I think simmonds would be amazing next to Giroux. If hartnell can score 37 goals while falling down 35 times a game then simmonds could hit 40 goals.
- 28Girouxsalem28

I think youre overvaluing points. I think the point many of us are trying to make is that Simmonds NEEDS a playmaker to drive play on his line. Voracek IS a playmaker who can drive the play of a line.

It's easier to find guys like Simmonds than it is to find guys like Voracek.

I love them both and think they both offer the team significant contributions. I wouldn't want to give up either, but if King Solomon was going to slice them in half, I would keep Jake and let Simmer go.

http://www.russianmachine...-break-up-end-engagement/

Poor OV... the one that got away
- Tomahawk

That sucks

That's just false. Simmonds had six more goals and 2 less points then voracek playing less minutes on ES. Read had as may goals playing shut down 3rd line with limited pp time.
- 28Girouxsalem28

There's more to hockey than the stat line. Be real. Voracek is truly an elite player in the world. Speed and amazing skating ability, puck skills, shot and of course size.

Read and Simmonds are good players for sure. They're not on Voracek's level.

http://www.russianmachine...-break-up-end-engagement/

Poor OV... the one that got away
- Tomahawk

i love that the browser tab icon for that site is a vector image of his face.

http://www.russianmachine...-break-up-end-engagement/

Poor OV... the one that got away
- Tomahawk

Add another -1 to his totals.

Yeah I'm all for separating G and Voracek.

Might want to try a frenchie line with the France kid, G and VLC.
Who knows maybe add some mayo and BAM! a legitimate top scoring unit?
Frees up Couts and Schenn to work lines with a bit more talent.
Read/Schenn/Simmonds
Akeson/Couturier/Umberger

Not too bad IMO.
- Pixote Andolini

The biggest issue is where to play Lecavalier. If he's on the RW with Giroux, I'd lean towards Read on the LW, just because I'd want speed and smarts and a guy who has proven he can produce at the NHL level.

If Lecavalier is at C, I'd probably play Voracek with him and use Schenn & Simmonds on Giroux's wings. Of course, They could use Lecavalier in a different way and rather than have a checking 4th line, create a more offensively capable unit by putting Vinny at C between two out of the group of depth wingers, like Akeson, Bellemare , Raffl and the like.

It's outside the box, and probably won't happen, but it keeps Vinny at C and gives the team 3 solid lines and then a bit of a wildcard at 4th.