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Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 21 @ 11:58 AM ET
Well that and losing Statsny and ROR to free agency is pretty detrimental to the organization when you get nothing in return.
- ystoil


He elected one year so he would still be an RFA next summer. Another painful negotiation.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:00 PM ET
He elected one year so he would still be an RFA next summer. Another painful negotiation.
- Iggysbff

If you don't have him signed by the draft you deal him to the highest bidder. Guys are always looking for centers.
ChetManly
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I think Chet Manly is the worst poster on this site - James Tanner
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jul 21 @ 12:06 PM ET
If you don't have him signed by the draft you deal him to the highest bidder. Guys are always looking for centers.
- Lahey

Que up another round of painful trade ideas.
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:12 PM ET
The Avs are (frank)ed.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 21 @ 12:14 PM ET
The Avs are (frank)ed.
- DTF69


Not really. They'll get a one year 6 mill contract then trade him away for a good return.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:17 PM ET
Not really. They'll get a one year 6 mill contract then trade him away for a good return.
- Iggysbff


To Calgary

Then we can roll Bennett-ROR-Monahan-Backlund straight to the cup!!!!
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:18 PM ET
Not really. They'll get a one year 6 mill contract then trade him away for a good return.
- Iggysbff


They have minimal leverage in trade negotiations since everyone knows he wants out.

They'll get a package of crappy third/fourth liners like pretty well any 50 point player gets.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:19 PM ET
They have minimal leverage in trade negotiations since everyone knows he wants out.

They'll get a package of crappy third/fourth liners like pretty well any 50 point player gets.

- DTF69


Realistically does any one have any legitimate insight into what COL's needs are?
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:19 PM ET
Realistically does any one have any legitimate insight into what COL's needs are?
- The-O-G


Once ROR is gone, it becomes depth at center, quality wingers and actual NHL defencemen.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 21 @ 12:20 PM ET
To Calgary

Then we can roll Bennett-ROR-Monahan-Backlund straight to the cup!!!!

- The-O-G


Whichever team he goes to better be prepared to be bent over for an 8 yr 60 mill contract next summer. It's pretty clear he wants cash and lots of it regardless of where he plays.
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:23 PM ET
To Calgary

Then we can roll Bennett-ROR-Monahan-Backlund straight to the cup!!!!

- The-O-G


You'll likely have to include Backlund in a deal for ROR
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:24 PM ET
Whichever team he goes to better be prepared to be bent over for an 8 yr 60 mill contract next summer. It's pretty clear he wants cash and lots of it regardless of where he plays.
- Iggysbff


Or you could probably get him on a 5-6 yr deal at 6.5ish average which is totally reasonable in a league where Dave Bolland gets 5.5, Ryan Callahan gets 5.8, the Devil's sign poopty players to the deals they do, etc.
ChetManly
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I think Chet Manly is the worst poster on this site - James Tanner
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jul 21 @ 12:24 PM ET
They have minimal leverage in trade negotiations since everyone knows he wants out.

They'll get a package of crappy third/fourth liners like pretty well any 50 point player gets.

- DTF69

I don't think it has anything to do with "him wanting out". He just wants to get paid. Colorado just isn't overpaying. It happens with a lot of clubs. Take a look at what happened with Gagner a year ago.
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:26 PM ET
I don't think it has anything to do with "him wanting out". He just wants to get paid. Colorado just isn't overpaying. It happens with a lot of clubs. Take a look at what happened with Gagner a year ago.
- ChetManly


I think he'd jump at the chance to go somewhere else. I don't think he wants out of the team, as much as he wants out of a management situation where they expect him to get paid less than he deserves because other players took discounted deals.

He's a young dude coming off a career year and is among elite company for young NHL forwards.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 21 @ 12:27 PM ET
Or you could probably get him on a 5-6 yr deal at 6.5ish average which is totally reasonable in a league where Dave Bolland gets 5.5, Ryan Callahan gets 5.8, the Devil's sign poopty players to the deals they do, etc.
- DTF69


I dont think ROR would sign that at all. He wants more.
The-O-G
Calgary Flames
Joined: 11.29.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:27 PM ET
You'll likely have to include Backlund in a deal for ROR
- ystoil


I think the Flames could put together a decent package for him. As long as they keep Bennett, Monahan and this years first i'm ok.
Iggysbff
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Peter Chiarelli is a fking moron, Calgary, AB
Joined: 07.12.2012

Jul 21 @ 12:28 PM ET
I think he'd jump at the chance to go somewhere else. I don't think he wants out of the team, as much as he wants out of a management situation where they expect him to get paid less than he deserves because other players took discounted deals.
- DTF69


They didnt take discounted deals. Their deals are right in line with other RFA's. Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Skinner, Seguin, Benn, Duchene, Landy etc are all virtually identical. ROR wants more.
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:29 PM ET
I dont think ROR would sign that at all. He wants more.
- Iggysbff


I think you could get him around that dollar figure with the term on it. Maybe its 6.75 over 5.
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:30 PM ET
They didnt take discounted deals. Their deals are right in line with other RFA's. Hall, Nuge, Ebs, Skinner, Seguin, Benn etc are all virtually identical. ROR wants more.
- Iggysbff


All signed years sooner before the market has begun to recorrect itself again.

If you adjusted the Skinner, Seguin, Ebs, Hall deals for inflation in player salary I bet they become 7-7.5 cap hits.
ChetManly
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I think Chet Manly is the worst poster on this site - James Tanner
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jul 21 @ 12:30 PM ET
You'll likely have to include Backlund in a deal for ROR
- ystoil

I'm sure they would be asking for Monohan or Bennett as a starting point.
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:30 PM ET
At least they still have Duchene and Mackinnon.
ChetManly
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I think Chet Manly is the worst poster on this site - James Tanner
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jul 21 @ 12:31 PM ET
I think the Flames could put together a decent package for him. As long as they keep Bennett, Monahan and this years first i'm ok.
- The-O-G

I don't think there is a deal to be had.
ChetManly
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I think Chet Manly is the worst poster on this site - James Tanner
Joined: 06.25.2013

Jul 21 @ 12:32 PM ET
I think you could get him around that dollar figure with the term on it. Maybe its 6.75 over 5.
- DTF69

If you are going 5 years, why not just max out the length?
ystoil
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton
Joined: 02.26.2011

Jul 21 @ 12:32 PM ET
I'm sure they would be asking for Monohan or Bennett as a starting point.
- ChetManly


I think calgary hangs up.

Maybe Backlund + 2015 1st is close but Calgary has to think of the amount to sign him and the likelihood that 2015 is a top 3 pick.
DTF69
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: I lied to get some white people on my side, AB
Joined: 02.03.2010

Jul 21 @ 12:33 PM ET
If you are going 5 years, why not just max out the length?
- ChetManly


I think you'd have to up the dollars then by eating up more UFA years. You save some AAV and he has another chance to get paid before he's old.
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