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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:03 AM ET
dammit i legit was about to ask you 'for real?!'


then i realized it was 'for 2Real'

- Crimsoninja

of course we're friends why do you think i hate him
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:26 AM ET
Has there been any banter on why they didn't re-sign Heeter?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:35 AM ET
Has there been any banter on why they didn't re-sign Heeter?
- wilsonecho91

why would there be? it's a non story
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:41 AM ET
This playoff come-from-behind win with the Craven goal and the famous shot of Craven and Tocchet hugging each other on their knees. Great memory for me.

http://video.flyers.nhl.c...eocenter/console?id=88678
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Jul 21 @ 12:56 AM ET
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jul 21 @ 1:02 AM ET
why would there be? it's a non story
- 2Real

Meh - I guess we are drowning in goalie prospects - Rob Zepp really pumps my nads
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Jul 21 @ 1:14 AM ET
Meh - I guess we are drowning in goalie prospects - Rob Zepp really pumps my nads
- wilsonecho91




Just added 'really pumps my nads' to my colorful language repertoire.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Jul 21 @ 1:35 AM ET
why would there be? it's a non story
- 2Real


And for what it's worth you 2bit hack, he was the AHL starter and 1st goalie call up. That's a story.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 21 @ 1:55 AM ET

- Pixote Andolini


This clip from top to bottom once again makes me shake my head over the Umburger/Hartnell deal. Yes, I get we ended up with seven 20 goal scorers by season's end but this was November. If we can't balance the defense, we better be able to score. I just don't think dividing from the offense or taking grit away helps. I understand the mind set of speed but does Umburger help that much? Are we now a better team? I'm not so sure.

I'm also concerned for our "Team toughness" and grit. We lost Hartnell, Downie, Hall and I'm a believer of these three being gritty and pretty tough guys.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Jul 21 @ 2:13 AM ET
And for what it's worth you 2bit hack, he was the AHL starter and 1st goalie call up. That's a story.
- wilsonecho91

mason emery stolarz the dude from germany meh who cares
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Jul 21 @ 2:44 AM ET
Not unless we free up a lot of cap space. I dont believe we will get him.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I think the most likely of curve balls that fans won't see coming is Ron Hextall for whatever reason that only makes sense to Ron Hextall is that he won't want Bobby Ryan. Maybe Ryan will want a penny more then what Hextall is willing to give or he'll want someone else who's a second faster but not as offensive gifted. Or the Hextall just simply won't be interested for the sake of being uninterested.
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Jul 21 @ 4:27 AM ET
I see quite the satisfying Meltzerbomb was dropped today.
3flyerkids
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.27.2013

Jul 21 @ 7:47 AM ET
This playoff come-from-behind win with the Craven goal and the famous shot of Craven and Tocchet hugging each other on their knees. Great memory for me.

http://video.flyers.nhl.c...eocenter/console?id=88678

- Pixote Andolini



Great memory for me too. Tocchet played his butt off that game.

It's amazing how far " fan paraphernalia " has come. Hardly anyone in the Spectrum was wearing fan gear back then. I had a Tim Kerr jersey back in those days. Nobody knew who he was here in Toronto !
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 21 @ 8:17 AM ET
Has there been any banter on why they didn't re-sign Heeter?
- wilsonecho91


Guessing Hextall didn't think he was a very good long term prospect, and figured the organization would be better served by having a veteran splitting time with Stolarz.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Jul 21 @ 8:17 AM ET
This clip from top to bottom once again makes me shake my head over the Umburger/Hartnell deal. Yes, I get we ended up with seven 20 goal scorers by season's end but this was November. If we can't balance the defense, we better be able to score. I just don't think dividing from the offense or taking grit away helps. I understand the mind set of speed but does Umburger help that much? Are we now a better team? I'm not so sure.

I'm also concerned for our "Team toughness" and grit. We lost Hartnell, Downie, Hall and I'm a believer of these three being gritty and pretty tough guys.

- SuperSchennBros

I wouldnt take much from that game against EDM. That was maybe the worst showing a team put up against us all year.

There is enough grit on this team with Rinaldo alone holding down a spot. Plenty of teams in this league succeed with less. ie Kings, Hawks
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Jul 21 @ 8:27 AM ET
Guessing Hextall didn't think he was a very good long term prospect, and figured the organization would be better served by having a veteran splitting time with Stolarz.
- Jsaquella


As I don't think we will ever see Heeter in the NHL, I'm not sure why anyone would care that they didn't re-sign him.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 21 @ 8:31 AM ET
This clip from top to bottom once again makes me shake my head over the Umburger/Hartnell deal. Yes, I get we ended up with seven 20 goal scorers by season's end but this was November. If we can't balance the defense, we better be able to score. I just don't think dividing from the offense or taking grit away helps. I understand the mind set of speed but does Umburger help that much? Are we now a better team? I'm not so sure.

I'm also concerned for our "Team toughness" and grit. We lost Hartnell, Downie, Hall and I'm a believer of these three being gritty and pretty tough guys.

- SuperSchennBros


Its all about the penalties and Hartnell not wanting to get on board and play a more disciplined game. At least that is the way I see it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 21 @ 8:33 AM ET
This clip from top to bottom once again makes me shake my head over the Umburger/Hartnell deal. Yes, I get we ended up with seven 20 goal scorers by season's end but this was November. If we can't balance the defense, we better be able to score. I just don't think dividing from the offense or taking grit away helps. I understand the mind set of speed but does Umburger help that much? Are we now a better team? I'm not so sure.

I'm also concerned for our "Team toughness" and grit. We lost Hartnell, Downie, Hall and I'm a believer of these three being gritty and pretty tough guys.

- SuperSchennBros


Maybe because Hextall is more concerned with the discipline aspect of things than the grit aspect.

I'm not against gritty players, and in fact I think the Flyers could use a bit more sandpaper, but at the same time disciplined players that can play well within a system will help the defense, because it means that the whole team, from front to back will be involved in helping out from end to end.

With the Flyers defense being such a trouble spot, it's vital that the forwards play good, smart two way hockey. Perhaps Hartnell was identified as a guy who was lacking in that regard?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 21 @ 8:35 AM ET
Maybe because Hextall is more concerned with the discipline aspect of things than the grit aspect.

I'm not against gritty players, and in fact I think the Flyers could use a bit more sandpaper, but at the same time disciplined players that can play well within a system will help the defense, because it means that the whole team, from front to back will be involved in helping out from end to end.

With the Flyers defense being such a trouble spot, it's vital that the forwards play good, smart two way hockey. Perhaps Hartnell was identified as a guy who was lacking in that regard?

- Jsaquella


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Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 21 @ 8:35 AM ET
As I don't think we will ever see Heeter in the NHL, I'm not sure why anyone would care that they didn't re-sign him.
- BiggE


The lone reason I'd care is that there's almost no goalie depth. After Stolarz, the only prospect goalie they own rights to is Merrick Madsen.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 21 @ 8:39 AM ET
Maybe because Hextall is more concerned with the discipline aspect of things than the grit aspect.

I'm not against gritty players, and in fact I think the Flyers could use a bit more sandpaper, but at the same time disciplined players that can play well within a system will help the defense, because it means that the whole team, from front to back will be involved in helping out from end to end.

With the Flyers defense being such a trouble spot, it's vital that the forwards play good, smart two way hockey. Perhaps Hartnell was identified as a guy who was lacking in that regard?

- Jsaquella


No 'perhaps' about it. With all the quotes immediately following the trade, discipline and the length of his deal were the two contributing factors to his being dealt.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 21 @ 8:41 AM ET
I wouldnt take much from that game against EDM. That was maybe the worst showing a team put up against us all year.

There is enough grit on this team with Rinaldo alone holding down a spot. Plenty of teams in this league succeed with less. ie Kings, Hawks

- hereticpride



The Kings and Hawks are loaded with grit. LA especially is a very difficult team to play against.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 21 @ 8:47 AM ET
No 'perhaps' about it. With all the quotes immediately following the trade, discipline and the length of his deal were the two contributing factors to his being dealt.
- tangent_man


I think conditioning played a role, along with skating ability. As Bill mentioned a whole 11 days ago

Although no one would ever say so on the record, the Flyers' decision to trade Scott Hartnell probably had something to do with the organization feeling that he was one of the players who was a little too set in his ways (both in terms of conditioning and in terms of the way he played on the ice not necessarily being conducive to the system Berube installed). He seemed unlikely to change and, thus, became someone the team opted to move out.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...Larsson-and-More/45/61236
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Jul 21 @ 8:55 AM ET
I think conditioning played a role, along with skating ability. As Bill mentioned a whole 11 days ago

Although no one would ever say so on the record, the Flyers' decision to trade Scott Hartnell probably had something to do with the organization feeling that he was one of the players who was a little too set in his ways (both in terms of conditioning and in terms of the way he played on the ice not necessarily being conducive to the system Berube installed). He seemed unlikely to change and, thus, became someone the team opted to move out.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...Larsson-and-More/45/61236

- Jsaquella


Yeah, the discipline umbrella covers quite a few areas.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 21 @ 9:00 AM ET
Yeah, the discipline umbrella covers quite a few areas.
- tangent_man

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