The reason he's still floating around is because it's not a goalies market. Even if he was horrible as you say. The devils are not exactly a power house who has a great defence core nor are they a highly offensive team.
- RobFlyers#1

It's not a goalie's market? Look at all the goaltenders who switched team's on July 1st. A great many teams were hunting for a backup goaltender.

The Devils may not be a powerhouse with a great defense or offense (I happen to believe they have a stellar defense), yet Schneider still managed to stop 20 more goals per 1000 shots at 5v5.

You're honestly going to argue that Brodeur was comparable to Schneider last year?
- Michael_Stuart

Schneider will NEVER do what Brodeur did for the Devils. He will never reach the heights Brodeur did EVER period

It's not a goalie's market? Look at all the goaltenders who switched team's on July 1st. A great many teams were hunting for a backup goaltender.

The Devils may not be a powerhouse with a great defense or offense, yet Schneider still managed to stop 20 more goals per 1000 shots at 5v5.
- Michael_Stuart

Brodeur was pretty good last year man and I hate admitting it. I'm guessing you just didn't watch a lot of Devils games but living in the same market as them and being friends with a lot of Devils fans I watch a ton of them. He wasn't bad and yes Schneider outplayed him but Brodeur was still good and not the reason they missed the playoffs.

Schneider will NEVER do what Brodeur did for the Devils. He will never reach the heights Brodeur did EVER period
- RobFlyers#1

Who said he would? Brodeur is arguably the greatest goaltender of all time. That doesn't mean he was good last year though.

Brodeur was pretty good last year man and I hate admitting it. I'm guessing you just didn't watch a lot of Devils games but living in the same market as them and being friends with a lot of Devils fans I watch a ton of them. He wasn't bad and yes Schneider outplayed him but Brodeur was still good and not the reason they missed the playoffs.
- rangerdanger94

The numbers (and the eye-test, for me at least) show that he was pretty bad. When you rank 55th out of 59 in 5v5 SV% among goaltenders who played 21+ games, it's not a good thing.

Here's a question I'll ask...

You have Goaltender A who stops 92.4% of the shots he faces at even-strength. You have Goaltender B who stops 90.4% of the shots he faces at even-strength. Who are you going to play more? Who are you going to play when you want to string together a few wins?

Maybe I'm crazy, but I wouldn't hesitate to go with Goaltender A.

The reason he's still floating around is because it's not a goalies market. Even if he was horrible as you say. The devils are not exactly a power house who has a great defence core nor are they a highly offensive team.
- RobFlyers#1

Our defense was among the best in the league, gave up the least amount of shots and thanks to Corey finished 6th in GAA.

Brodeur was pretty good last year man and I hate admitting it. I'm guessing you just didn't watch a lot of Devils games but living in the same market as them and being friends with a lot of Devils fans I watch a ton of them. He wasn't bad and yes Schneider outplayed him but Brodeur was still good and not the reason they missed the playoffs.
- rangerdanger94

He was in the sense that he took starts from Corey.

He was in the sense that he took starts from Corey.
- rmdevil313

He was in the sense that he took starts from Corey.
- rmdevil313

Hold on... Did you watch a lot of Devils hockey?

Our defense was among the best in the league, gave up the least amount of shots and thanks to Corey finished 6th in GAA.
- rmdevil313

Facts are always welcome around these parts.

Hold on... Did you watch a lot of Devils hockey?
- Michael_Stuart

I caught a couple games last season

I caught a couple games last season
- rmdevil313

Just checking.

He was in the sense that he took starts from Corey.
- rmdevil313

Brodeur was solid last year. He should've played less than he did and Schneider was definitely better but he was decent considering his age.

Hold on... Did you watch a lot of Devils hockey?
- Michael_Stuart

So the Devils fans' word on Devils players is gospel because he watched them play a lot, but us Rangers fans don't know what we're talking about when we say Staal wasn't a drag on Stralman's play when we watched every Rangers game?

Double standards.

Brodeur was solid last year. He should've played less than he did and Schneider was definitely better but he was decent considering his age.
- rangerdanger94

I agree with you that he wasn't as bad as his detractors make him seem, but with the talent disparity between him and Corey he didn't deserve half the starts he got.

Brodeur was solid last year. He should've played less than he did and Schneider was definitely better but he was decent considering his age.
- rangerdanger94

Well, that's a pretty big caveat. Decent for his age is quite bad on the grand scheme of things.

Who said he would? Brodeur is arguably the greatest goaltender of all time. That doesn't mean he was good last year though.
- Michael_Stuart

My point is you use stats like save percentage. One goalie can face 5 weak shots when there is no chance of the puck going in. He saves all 5 shots. The other goalie faces 5 shots allows 2 goals that he had no chance to stop. Goalie one has a higher save % but it don't show the true picture does it. So who faced more shots and quality scoring chances 5 on 5? Even if Schneider was better last year to blame Brodeur for them not making the playoffs is ubsurd.

So the Devils fans' word on Devils players is gospel because he watched them play a lot, but us Rangers fans don't know what we're talking about when we say Staal wasn't a drag on Stralman's play when we watched every Rangers game?

Double standards.
- rangerdanger94

This just filled in the gap, because you said I don't watch much Devils hockey (which is true).

My point is you use stats like save percentage. One goalie can face 5 weak shots when there is no chance of the puck going in. He saves all 5 shots. The other goalie faces 5 shots allows 2 goals that he had no chance to stop. Goalie one has a higher save % but it don't show the true picture does it. So who faced more shots and quality scoring chances 5 on 5? Even if Schneider was better last year to blame Brodeur for them not making the playoffs is ubsurd.
- RobFlyers#1

Your super small sample size doesn't really reflect what actually happens, though. We're talking about hundreds (thousands) of shots. These things even out.

Blaming Brodeur for them not making it really isn't absurd. They were five points out. Three more wins gets them there. Take 15 starts away from Brodeur and I can almost guarantee that Schneider gets them there.

EDIT - This is an interesting read regarding shot differential vs. scoring chances http://nhlnumbers.com/201...g-chances-and-shot-totals

Your super small sample size doesn't really reflect what actually happens, though. We're talking about hundreds (thousands) of shots. These things even out.

Blaming Brodeur for them not making it really isn't absurd. They were five points out. Three more wins gets them there. Take 15 starts away from Brodeur and I can almost guarantee that Schneider gets them there.
- Michael_Stuart

So who faced more shots 5 on 5 then??? I know it was a small sample size. If you want to play the blame game then ok... Let's blame Schneider then. He should have won more of the games he started then. See how that works.

My point is you use stats like save percentage. One goalie can face 5 weak shots when there is no chance of the puck going in. He saves all 5 shots. The other goalie faces 5 shots allows 2 goals that he had no chance to stop. Goalie one has a higher save % but it don't show the true picture does it. So who faced more shots and quality scoring chances 5 on 5? Even if Schneider was better last year to blame Brodeur for them not making the playoffs is ubsurd.
- RobFlyers#1

The true picture is that Corey was a much better goalie than marty last season. With the amount of 1 goal games, the good defense but horrible offense, and 13 shootout losses every goal counted. Our best players need to play in that situation and ours had to sit on the bench for 20 more games than he should have.

So who faced more shots 5 on 5 then??? I know it was a small sample size. If you want to play the blame game then ok... Let's blame Schneider then. He should have won more of the games he started then. See how that works.
- RobFlyers#1

Schneider stopped 92.4% of the shots he faced at 5v5. I'm not sure what more you want him to do. Brodeur stopped 90.4% of the shots he faced at 5v5. There's a lot more I'd like to see from him.

Schneider faced 24.8 shots against per 60 minutes of play (23.4 at 5v5). Brodeur faced 25.6 shots against per 60 minutes of play (24.5 at 5v5). The difference is negligible. And yet, their save percentages are miles apart. Schneider with a .921 overall, while Brodeur has a .901 overall. Schneider with a .924 at 5v5, while Brodeur has a .904 at 5v5.

Schneider stopped 92.4% of the shots he faced at 5v5. I'm not sure what more you want him to do. Brodeur stopped 90.4% of the shots he faced at 5v5. There's a lot more I'd like to see from him.

Schneider faced 24.8 shots against per 60 minutes of play (23.4 at 5v5). Brodeur faced 25.6 shots against per 60 minutes of play (24.5 at 5v5). The difference is negligible. And yet, their save percentages are miles apart. Schneider with a .921 overall, while Brodeur has a .901 overall. Schneider with a .924 at 5v5, while Brodeur has a .904 at 5v5.
- Michael_Stuart

The point is Schneider played more games last season won less games than Brodeur. His GAA was 1.97 while Brodeur's was 2.51. That's not that huge of a difference. How many of those shots faced were high scoring chances? Schneider was not that much better so if you play the blame game which is dumb other than to blame the devils lack of offence in losing close games no matter who was in net. Blame the forwards it's not Brodeur's fault the team can't score.

The point is Schneider played more games last season won less games than Brodeur. His GAA was 1.97 while Brodeur's was 2.51. That's not that huge of a difference. How many of those shots faced were high scoring chances? Schneider was not that much better so if you play the blame game which is dumb other than to blame the devils lack of offence in losing close games no matter who was in net. Blame the forwards it's not Brodeur's fault the team can't score.
- RobFlyers#1

Half a goal a game isn't that big of a difference?